Israeli Mayor wants East Jerusalem youths shot for stone-throwing

East Jerusalem was largely Arab.. You can look at a map of the old city and see the size of the Muslim Quarter.. The Israelis are evicting Arab families from homes that they have lived in for 5-6 generations to build cheap, subsidized apartments for Haredi Jews... and currently they are threatening the Al Aksa ... so they want violence.

 

nobody has "threatened" Al Aqsa Mosque.

it is controlled by Jordan and will stay that way.

 

You are mistaken. In the past 10 days, Israel has been imposing fresh restrictions on Palestinian entry to the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem. In addition to extending a ban for men under the age of 45 who want to pray at the mosque on Fridays, Israeli police have installed metal detectors at several entrances to Jerusalem's Old City. An increase in Israeli visits to the compound has fed fears among Palestinians that Israel is moving to divide the compound into two separate areas of worship for Jews and Muslims and they do not believe denials to the contrary from Benjamin Netanyahu for some reason. The Israelis need to stay away from the Al-Aqsa compound. They know very well that their activities there are a provocation.
http://palestinianmissionuk.com/news/israel-restricts-access-to-al-aqsa-mosque/

 

Israel has a right to limit access to the Temple Mount when there is rioting and violence on the mount.

once the violence is over, the restrictions will be lifted.

 

Notice how the requisite crowd of jew-haters is here to defend the muslim-only visitation policy, while declaring Israel is an "apartheid" state. Lots of really deep thinkers here.

 

I'll worry about east jerusalem when the arab muslim compensate the jews for the land and property stolen from them when they were ethnically cleansed from the muslim countries after 1948, and for the coptics, yazidis, maronites and millions of other non-arab muslims who have been mass slaughtered and ethnically cleansed over the last 100 years. Lots more of those to deal with that the whining, cry-baby east-jerusalem arab muslims and their fake grievances.

 

Israel has no right in international law or common ethics to be occupying East Jerusalem, the intended capital of Palestine.

 

according to international law, neither Israel NOR the Palestinians have any legitimate claims over the City of Jerusalem.

its supposed to be under international control

 

"There are lots of pro-putin water carriers and boot lickers in this forum alone who will claim you are totally wrong, that putin, assad and rouhmani are all "duly elected leaders of their countries in free and fair elections," and that all 3 countries are quite democratic. A visit to the main forum here will show you what I am referring to."
I haven't seen any pro Putin ones on this forum. Nor have I seen anyone say Putin, Assad, and Rouhmani were elected in free and fair elections. I have seen a couple posts of people arguing we should allay with Assad against ISIS(the people arguing this didn't say if they were liberal or conservative nor did any of them say Assad was a duly elected leader). In addition, how does this forum represent all liberals(or conservatives)?. You don't for example have a poll saying majority let alone all liberals believe in this.

"HIS IS NOT A LAND ISSUE, it never has been; it is solely due to the arab muslims' total intolerance for the sovereignty of non-arab muslims in the mideast. "
In the past in the Arafat/Khartoum three no's era that was true. However since Khartoum the Arab world has been prepared to have peace with Israel with Egypt and Jordan(after decades of unofficial relations) signing peace treaties and Israel having unofficial relations with Persian Gulf countries. There is also the Arab peace initiative(it calls for normalizing relations with Israel in return for withdrawing to 67 lines which has been amended to include land swaps creating Palestinian state) in 2002 which has been amended to include land swaps and all 57 members of Organization of Islamic Cooperation support the Arab peace initiative. Abbas unlike Arafat did doesn't favor using violence with current Shin Bet head Yoram Cohen stating this. Abbas was also months away from a deal with Olmert; this is according to both Israeli and Palestinian side with Abbas agreeing to most of Olmert's terms but ran out of time(to solve differences like Abbas agreeing to all settlement blocs being annexed by Israel except for Ariel which sits on fertile land reserves) with Bibi winning 2009 elections and refusing to back to point of 2008 talks. An anonymous American official which some believe to be Martin Indyk(which was invovled in previous talks like Oslo) in an interview with ynet blamed Israelis particularly settlement construction and refusal to agree to these demands
Outlining the borders would be the first topic under discussion. It would be agreed upon within three months.(Americans presented border outline drawn up by advanced software that included 80 percent of Israeli settlers staying, Abbas accepted it, the Israelis didn't respond to the outline)
A timeframe would be set for the evacuation of Israelis from sovereign Palestinian territories (Israel had agreed to complete the evacuation of Sinai within three years).
Israel will agree to have East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-to-resign-after-blaming-settlements-for-talks-failure/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html?_r=0
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...as-not-responsible-for-inciting-terror-382145
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4515821,00.html

 

The issue with Al- Aqsa is absurd as they argue violence should be committed because non-Muslims(in this case Jews) are praying in an area where Muhammad supposedly went up to heaven. However, the broader issue of East Jerusalem being an island of extreme poverty(over 75%(83.9% of Arab children in East Jerusalem under poverty line) despite Israel annexing it and viewing it as part of their territory(with East Jerusalem residents paying unmusical taxes yet getting noticeable inferior if at all basic public services) needs to be addressed more.

 

They weren't ethnically cleansed from Arab countries.. They left in waves in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 as a direct result of Zionist behavior in Lebanon, Syria and Israel.

 

Those are separate issues(there aren't any coptics, yazidis, or maronites etc that Arabs living in Jerusalem or West Bank are persecuting either, if you cite Maronite which PLO did persecute while based in Beirut that was many years ago during a civil war where all sides including the Maronite committed massacres ). The Arabs in East Jerusalem does have a legitimate issue. Israel annexed East Jerusalem and calls it their undivisible capital yet it doesn't treat Arabs living in East Jerusalem equally with Jews in Jerusalem.
Some statistics below

"Living below the poverty line:
75.4% of all Palestinian residents, 83.9% of Palestinian children"
Schools:
Only 41% of Palestinian children are enrolled in municipal schools. There is a shortage of 1,000 classrooms in the official municipal education system; 194 classrooms were added in these schools between the years 2009 2014, and an additional 211 are in planning.

Inadequate classrooms:
43% of the classrooms in the official municipal system are defined as inadequate classrooms.

School dropout rate:
26% in 11th grade, 33% in 12th grade; the national average stands at a few percent.

Water:
Only 64% of households are officially connected to the water infrastructur
e of
Hagihon Corporation
–
Jerusalem’s water and wastewater company.

Sewage:
There is a shortage of approximately 30 kilometers of sewage pipes; throughout 2015, Hagihon plans to lay an additional 8.2 kilometers.

Postal services:
Only 7% of the postal workers operating in Jerusalem provide services to the Palestinian neighborhoods; there are 8 post offices in Palestinian neighborhoods, compared with 40 in Israeli neighborhoods; during peak hours at the central post office on Salah a Din St., the waiting time often stands at more than two hours.
(with links in next paragraph describing more of the massive inequalities)

Even Jerusalem municipality has recognized this problem by admitting link between violence and low socio economy standards and in last years has finally taken some measures with report on Jerusalem noting
"In June 2014, the government approved, for the first time in its history, a five-year plan forEast Jerusalem with an overall budget of approximately NIS 300 million. The explanatory notes to the plan stated that it is intended to address the security situation in Jerusalem and to promote socioeconomic development in the Palestinian neighborhoods, under the understanding that there is “a strong connection between the extent and level of violence among residents from East Jerusalem and the quality of life in the neighborhoods of the city’s east.”
http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/EJ-Facts-and-Figures-2015.pdf
http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-conten...olicy-in-East-Jerusalem_ACRI_May-2012_ENG.pdf

 

I personally know people whose families were ethnically cleansed in pogroms, and I'm really not interested in reading someone lying about what is well-established factual history. Take your garbage elsewhere.

 

Go the main forums, and do a search of DonRumataEstorsky, Destroyer of illusions, and others in threads like this:

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ussian-air-strikes-against-assad-enemies.html

Except that plan includes flooding Israel with millions of so-called arab muslim "refugees", which would destroy the nature of israel as a jewish state.

How did abbas "run out of time"? He's still in office.

 

If it reverted to international control, why would only the muslims have access to the holy sites? They would have to be shared, which they aren't right now.

 

Well they lied to you.. There weren't any "progroms".. There were still Jews in Libya in the early 1970s.. and in Egypt.. just as there are still Jews in Bahrain .. and they prospered.

Israel wanted to increase their population as quickly as possible.. and it didn't take but some riots and rumors to frighten the Arab Jews into leaving...

Just like they airlifted Ethiopian and Yemeni Jews out and stole Yemeni babies.. Just like the two week conversion of 90 Peruvian Indians. Heck, Israel is still recruiting from the bottom of the barrel to fill up the West Bank with freeloaders.

 

there were many murderous attacks upon Jews in the Muslim world, long before Zionism.

 

Not many.. Jews were pretty prosperous and employed Arabs.. I know Jewish families from Morocco, Egypt and Iran who were merchants or manufactured glass or were involved in Import-export.

Jews were valued members of the community in most places in the Arab world.. The problems in Palestine are not because they were Jews, its because they were Europeans, Zionists and Socialists.

 

and Jews also faced massacres, exiles, discrimination, at the hands of their Muslim rulers.

There is a sad lie that has been going around for decades, about the Jews in Muslim lands.

This lie, is that before Zionism Jews in in Muslim lands were treated well, equally, and fairly.

This couldn't be further from the the truth.

During the more than 1,000 years of Muslim rule in North Africa and the Middle East, Jews frequently suffered extreme discrimination, expulsions, massacres, and pogroms, at the hands of the ruling Muslims. This was all centuries before Zionism was a mere concept.

The Jews of Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, all suffered under these conditions. They all suffered from persecution and pogroms.

Doubt this? Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._of_Israel#Middle_Ages_.28636.E2.80.931517.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_algeria#Muslim_dominance_era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_egypt#Arab_rule_.28641_to_1250.29

 

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2005/05/egyptian-jews-story.html

Some people just cannot admit their people committed atrocities, others are paid to lie. Ultimately I do not care which camp they fall into, as long as the truth you and I are presenting here is shown to the world. The arab muslims have expended no small amount of effort to obscure their horrific, violent and murderous history - but it fools no one, no longer.

 

Netanyahu's words are insufficient -- UN Assistant secretary General
Authority over the Al-Aqsa compound is administered by the Jordanian/Palestinian-led Islamic Waqf consisting of a director, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and the Islamic Council. Given Israel’s heavy-handed actions of late, Jordan, in support of Palestinian calls for an international force to be deployed in East Jerusalem to promote calm, requested urgent talks by the UN Security Council to provide international protection to the holy site. Assistant Secretary General Taye-Brook Zerihoun told the council that Israeli actions raised “serious questions” about the proportionality of the response to the spike in disorder. "He said the current crisis could not be solved by military means alone and was a result of ongoing despair by the Palestinians coupled with a lack of hope in the face of ongoing settlement expansion, as well as economic hardship." He further went on to say that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's statements about there being no change in the administration of the holy site were insufficient, "as growing movements within the Israeli right were seeking to expand Israeli control over the compound, and were promoting their agenda through words and actions."
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-rejects-any-international-intervention-at-temple-mount/
It will be no surprise to learn that Israel's new ambassador to the UN, notorious proponent of Israel's continued occupation of Palestine, Danny Danon, objected to any discussion of East Jerusalem by the Security Council. Danon asserted in 2013 that the Likud party has no place for anyone supporting a peace agreement with the Palestinians. He is opposed to a Two-state solution arguing instead for extending Israeli sovereignty over the majority of the West Bank, 'with the minimum number of Palestinians.'
http://www.timesofisrael.com/danny-danon-dismally-is-the-true-face-of-netanyahus-israel/


UN Assistant Secretary General Taye-Brook Zerihoun wants more than words from Netanyahu

 

one day the Palestinians will understand that according to international law, Jerusalem is supposed to be a SHARED city where all faiths are respected and have access to holy sites.

Al Aqsa Mosque is a holy site for Muslims, but the Temple Mount is also holy to Jews.

 

Relatives of East Jerusalem Palestinians labeled "terrorists" will be transported to Gaza
Not satisfied with demolishing the homes of families related to Palestinian demonstrators, it is intended to exile relatives to Gaza, thereby collectively punishing Arabs and ethnically cleansing East Jerusalem at the same time. This promise was made by a senior Israeli defense official yesterday.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/If-violence-continues-Israel-to-begin-banishing-Palestinians-to-Gaza-426195
We can assume the Americans will remain tight-lipped about this newest violation of human rights and might even justify it on the grounds that Israel has a right to exist.

 

Come on Margo, you know way better than that.

Of course there were Progroms. Unless you think something like the Iraqi Denaturalization Act wasn't part of a progrom, just like the Nuremberg laws weren't.

Stole Yemeni babies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair

I also suggest you go back and examine the curious tale of the Peruvian Jews. Not at all what you are trying to present.

Off your feed these days?

 

One does not have to be a <Rocket Scientist> to find/know the truth on the Jews from Arab Countries...
(a) You can Google it or Bing it... Ask around people who were saved from these Arab Countries or, as a last resort (b) go there...

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Pogrom+in+the+Arab+Countries

And learn more about what transpired to Jews of the Arab Countries this past century.