It doesn't matter where the Drone was. This is what we should be creeping out about

Sorry but Iran was abiding by the agreement and the IAEA so stated and the rest of the signatories agreed.

Perhaps you should review recent history again, since it wasn't all that long ago and the facts are in plain evidence.

 

I would suggest that Iran had every intention of abiding by the agreement. Are they dangerous? Yes they are. They are extremely dangerous to the sunni nations since they are ancient sectarian enemies. They are extremely dangerous to Israel because - jews and the ummah.

Few are fans of the Iranian regime and Islamist nutjobs are Islamist nutjobs regardless of sect or nation. But trump's heavy handed bullshit brinkmanship and lack of credibility has only served the regime's and nutjob's desires.

 

it seems you didn't bother actually reading that updated report you linked to..

From the last sentence first paragraph on page one

A tad disengenuous to use a description of Iran's activities in 2003 as proof that it was Iran that was not in compliance with the agreement as justification for Trump arbitrarily pulling out of it.

 

The IAEA disagrees :

IAEA confirms Iran is meeting its commitments under nuclear agreement

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...iran.../8d9b9fb0-c893-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_sto...

 

"Yes" is not an adequate answer.

 

All shipping through the strait must pass through Iranian territorial waters. International rights of passage through straits is under UNCLOS. If the US were to attack Iran, Iran could claim that act of war as a justification for bloking traffic through the strait as it benefits their enemy. This might not be found to be legal by the UN, as it might not be considered necessary or proportional.

Of course, that depends on whether anyone gives a crap about the rule of law. We used to consider the rule of law something we cared a LOT about. Anymore, it's hard to find examples of the US caring about what used to be one of our founding premises.

Nation building? You're actually going to bring THAT up?

The last time we "replaced" the government of Iran resulted in what we have today. In Iraq, we spent trillions and got a state more closely allied to Iran. And, Iran is a major regional power - not to be taken lightly.

 

No. You didn't get it.

Orange man stupid!

And most of his followers are not bright enough to realize this.

 

So you can’t answer my questions. Got it.

And I’m well aware of the process. The Iran deal came up short. If you want good deals they must be appealing to the people on some level, thus ratification by the Senate. The Executive knew the deal wouldn’t fly with the American people.

 

Well then lucky for us all the "stupid" one won and didnt get us into a war with Russia.

 

Which Hillary, being a diplomatic neophyte, would have us in WW3 by yesterday.

 

She said during the campaign that Syria was ours and she would fire on Russia if they flew anywhere in the country. Instead we got Trump, who drew down US presence there and only played defense. US troops didnt even pursue when Russians attacked our troops.

 

People deny it therefore it is by definition deniable.

 

Yeah. He played the Neville Chamberlain card quite well. Except we don't know for sure why yet. But we will. I fear there might be more to it than golden showers.

 

The money that went to Iran WAS THEIR OWN MONEY FROZEN IN U.S.Banks SINCE THE IRAN HOSTAGE CRISIS.

 

Trump's Neville Chamberlain approach to Iran after she destroyed a $130 million dollar piece of equipment is getting downright embarrassing. I was watching the President as he made these statements. It was painful.

“The fact is we’re not going to have Iran have a nuclear weapon,” he said as he left the White House for a weekend at Camp David. “And when they agree to that, they are going to have a wealthy country, they’re going to be so happy and I’m going to be their best friend.”

Iran already agreed to nuclear disarmament. Trump destroyed the agreement. This is insanity. Did he forget that part?

Later he said Iran will be hit with unspecified new sanctions on Monday.

Our President is mentally ill, no doubt about it.

 

“Everybody was saying I’m a war monger. And now they say I’m a dove. And I think I’m neither, if you want to know the truth,” Trump told reporters. “I’m a man with common sense. And that’s what we need in this country, is common sense. But I didn’t like the idea of them knowingly shooting down an unmanned drone and then we kill 150 people.”

Everybody? I haven't heard anyone say that, and I often watch CNN, Trump's critic from hell. I have heard many people say he is incompetent, naive, and intelligence-challenged, but a warmonger, no. He doesn't have the balls to be a warmonger. We all know that.

He added: “I don’t want to kill 150 Iranians. I don’t want to kill 150 of anything or anybody unless it’s absolutely necessary.’”

Trump withdrew the U.S. from the nuclear deal with Tehran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke.

Trump was asked what kind of provocation he believes would justify military action. "I would certainly go [to war] over nuclear weapons."

Trump ratcheted up sanctions — including, in April, a move to shut down Iran’s remaining oil exports.

Trump offered up a dozen draconian U.S. dictates that would completely reverse Iran's foreign policy, essentially calling for regime change.

On May 5th, Trump ordered a battleship-carrier strike group (CBG), led by the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, and a bomber task force, including B-52s, deployed off Iran’s coast.

Five days later, on May 10th, Trump ordered a second display of force: the U.S.S. Arlington and a battery of Patriot missile systems would join the Abraham Lincoln.

The U.S. military provoked the incident involving the RQ-4. The military sent up a drone to spy on Iran, and it was spying on Iranian facilities and military bases when it was shot down.

But Donnie doesn't want to hurt anybody. What an idiot.

 

You do understand, Trump's fans believe every damn lie he tells them. You can provide a hundred sources saying this very thing because it is reality. Trump's fans will still believe Trump, and they don't much care for reality. Trump says we gave them the money. End of story.

It is like they know they voted for an idiot, so they are forced to believe all the lies Trump tells them.

I am having the same problem with JCPOA. I have provided proof that the agreement permanently barred Iran from making a nuke.

In May 2018, Trump exited the Iran nuclear deal, even though Iran was in compliance. Trump castigated the deal as “horrible,” “laughable,” “disastrous,” largely, it seems, because it was negotiated by his hated predecessor. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo laid out 12 demands that the current Iranian regime would never meet; they included Iran’s cutting off support for all of its regional proxies and ending its missile program. National security adviser John Bolton signaled that the administration is interested not in reform but regime change; in February, he posted a video on the 40th anniversary of the Iranian Revolution, telling the mullahs, “I don’t think you’ll have many more anniversaries to enjoy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ut-trump-are-realized/?utm_term=.3d17e9f34e6c

It doesn't matter. His base believes Trump. His base is more like a cult rather than political base. They seem to like being lied to. When Trump is caught in a lie, which happens often, they just shrug it off and make some wisecrack.

 

I see we think alike. Well, the circumstances are similar. Most of Trump's fans have no idea what we are talking about.

 

I don't know what is worse. If retaliating with no strategy or Trump's "bipolar" international policy. Fact is nobody takes us seriously anymore. And this is dangerous.

 

Have we used drones and killed civilians?
Did we start a war in Iraq? For a bad reason.
Do we meddle in South American gov'ts?

Did the USA back out of a deal with Iran and 6 other countries that they all agreed to?

 

What does any of that have to do with Iran?

Well your last point does..so that makes them justified in their military attacks? Ok..

 

The problem is that *******s love a vacuum if you don't leave a residual force, especially in the Middle East you'll be back there in the same damn place doing the same damn thing in 2 to 5 years. For more than a millennium and a quarter the Middle East has been a giant bloody minded game of whack-a-mole in which they've been at war with the west on one level or the other ever since they found out there was one. It's been that way ever since that bloody minded damn prophet of theirs took the worst parts of Christianity combined them with the worst parts of Judaism and added in a little half baked madness all his own and set out to remake the world in his own image. In many regards he is the prototype of the modern leftist revolutionary, from his insipid belief that the world is ultimately perfectible if you bash things about a bit, to his mindless hatred of banks and interest rates.

 

It isn't about making them like you. It's about dousing the fire stirring the embers and dousing it again until it is well and truly out.

 

The only thing you got right is that there are worse threats out there than Iran.

 

You responded to my post about America having become the world's bully.