I doubt they care that the Italians think. Zelensky has said he would meet with Putin, but it seems its mission impossible. Willing To Meet Vladimir Putin To End War: Ukraine's Zelensky In Davos https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/wil...president-volodymyr-zelensky-in-davos-3003106 Davos: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday that President Vladimir Putin was the only Russian official he was willing to meet with to discuss how to end the war. Zelenskiy, addressing by video link an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, also said that arranging any talks with Russia was becoming more difficult in light of what he said was evidence of Russian actions against civilians under occupation. Russia denies targeting civilians in what it calls a "special operation" to degrade Ukraine's military capabilities. "The president of the Russian Federation decides it all," said Zelenskiy through an interpreter. "If we are talking about ending this war without him personally, that decision cannot be taken."
You are getting that info from Russian media/Propoganda. Ukrainian forces, including civilians taking up arms, would have been wiped out long before now if that was true.
From what I heard, Zelensky is considering it. Experts on Putin and Russia say Putin will never consider such a proposal.
Just because I think Ukraine is winning the war does not mean I am against the peace proposal. I simply stated reality, points #2 and #3, and debated your topic about who should control Crimea and Donbas regions. You do know that they are mutually exclusive to the whole peace deal issue, right? This is not an either/or concept here. If Zelensky is considering the peace deal, that does not mean Ukraine is losing the war. They just want to end the war to limit further bloodshed and structural damage. Then the real work will begin and that is another "battle" for Ukraine and Russia to tangle with.
If you agree with Putin, and you have agreed with Putin on Ukraine, then you are also agreeing that the US/Ukraine started the war. And as I recall, I think you posted that very concept in another thread or so a while back.
This war has been going on for 8 years.....which sprang from the US funded and orchestrated 2014 Coup. Maybe you just now have been informed of this...? If Ukraine weren't killing their own people, and they would have adhered to the Minsk Peace agreements that were and still are in place, then Russia wouldn't have intervened. Did you expect for them to let this **** go on forever? You have no idea where I get information from. You would like for it to be propaganda, but it's not. My sources are locals on the ground. Your sources are Western fake news MSM.
You made the claim. I only do research for MY claims. I don't do your research. Read my sig!!!! But your response is clear indication that what you claimed never happened. So never mind. We all now know not to take you seriously.
I don't think the Ukrainians really think they can "win" in the sense of pushing Russia right back over the border. So I can see why they might be interested in pursuing this.
Since I've no idea what you are talking about could you find and post what you think I said so I can respond to it?
For starters, the Minsk Peace Agreement ceased all offensive operations, withdrawal of all foreign mercenaries, established a "no fly zone" among combat aircraft, Russia and Ukraine withdraw their forces at least 15 kilometers away from the borders of the disputed territory, and a few others. In essence, since the Minsk Agreement was signed, no official war or open hostilities exist. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2022-02-21/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements It's really not that hard. Sputnik, RT, and a few others. This can be on YT, internet, internet radio, etc. But you are clearly are intentionally refusing to post links to prove your claims while all others do so. That is how debate works.
There are other factors such as pride, false hope, being lied to by his subordinates, and others. For Putin, it would mean he would have to admit, at least to himself and the Russian people, that the war was a mistake. What Putin is probably desperate for is not to do a repeat of the Afghanistan withdrawal in 1989 again with Ukraine. Any peace agreement, in his mind, would mean just that. So, he may be trapped by his own idealogy, not a good sign.
There are many definitions of "winning" a war. For Ukraine, the "win" is each day the Ukrainian armed forces and their allies, including armed civilian militias, fight Russian troops every day, and keep Kyiv and other major cities out of Russian control. Remember, Putin used three arguments for this war. The first was Nazis in Kyiv and the "people" Ukrainians would welcome them in open arms. That obviously didn't happen. Then Putin tried to blame US and NATO for this mess and the international community, including China, did not agree on that. Finally, they use the "bioweapons" lab research as WMD and that turned out to be false. In essence, Putin jumped before he could look how deep the distance was. But there may be others. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/ukraine-war-russia-putin-end/629890/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/05/cost-russia-when-ukraine-wins-war/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-russia-war-end-11652967707 For Putin, his idea of winning may be to destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure where he may believe Ukraine would have no choice but to rely on Russia for gas, protection, foreign policy, and domestic policy, and become a puppet regime of Moscow. But there may be others.
Well Ukraine can't win militarily unless they can push the Russians back over the border. I don't think they can do that, even with NATO equipment and support. To me that means this war will end at the negotiating table, not on the battlefield.
Russias not interested in rebuilding Ukraine ...only destroying.....besides...rebuild with what $$$....when you're heavily sanctioned?
The Dwarfstan invaded Donbas and basically did nothing for the locals other than to use them as guinea pigs.
Non starter....Crimea won't be returned under any circumstances unless Mafialand crashes and burns with heavy sanctions.
Good luck....When Finland/Sweden join NATO.....Mafialand will be spending $$$ gazillions(that it doesn't have) on its northern 700 mile border with Nato .....Ukraine won't get a dime unless seized Oligarch $$$.
This will all be violated by Mafialand before the ink is dry....and most of all wouldn't even be agreed by the Dwarfstans midget.
A diplomatic solution is not an alternative to battle; it is a reflection of battle's outcome. A diplomatic solution is not an alternative until both sides believe their battlefield options are less desirable than their prospects in negotiation.
What you don't realize is Ukraine will win even at the negotiating table the longer the war drags on. You may want to think about that.
