It's over in Afghanistan!

sorry I don't see a difference in the level of craziness, children going to a school causes riots? a woman wants to keep her seat on a bus, you think those are any less absurd reasons to riot and kill than a cartoon or book burning?

the examples are not old the one example was only 20yrs ago. I remember them all very well, many of those who took part in the riots and murders are still alive today, who knows they may even be forum members.

and your point about McVeigh being an isolated nut, he was part of a conspiracy, the two dead Americans in Afghanistan were killed by an isolated nut.

 

Alright, well, can we at least agree that the best way of dealing with nuts is to not give in to them?

 

imagine the level of disillusion of those that were caught up in the 'Anti-war'campaign of Obama oh thats right GITMO is still going as well .

does Obama Disagree with the Republicans on anything ????

Is The republican Party really a Socialist Nest?????

or is the USA run by a Politixcal Capitialist Duopoly that runs elections as a Market to buy Politiocans and Political Party support???

Anything based on Money is corrupt before it starts.

thats the difference between Socialist politians and capitialist ones we do it for Society and pledge our lives to the Struggle.Principle .

Capitialist Politicans particularly the current crop do it for the Money and the Fame and nothing else they go to the highest bidder.Oppurtunism.

Capitialist Parties v\s the SEP [US] that is the nature of Government and opposition in the USA.Shakespears taught us to go for the breech,to the breech Comrades the breech of imploding capitialist Political parties ,or close the breech with our Communist dead!

The political character of the entire nation State sytem changed in little Australia the other day ,a Political party of 130year history even before Australia was born ,IMPLODED !

Right in front of everyone centre stage of national Life the Australian Labour Party up and self -destructed .The Working Class dosen't miss it!

And within this historic event emerges a new working class leadership Political ,funny how in Australia the World socialist revolution takes its form as the Implosion of the chief political Party bof the australian Capitialist Class.

how are the Republicans looking in the USA BTW!

universal global process or what comrade!

 

Power corrupts. The Socialists of South America are just as much about money as the capitalists here.

In general, it's hard to get any group with a significant amount of power to not succumb to money.

The Socialist party here is truer to its priniciples than most other socialist groups, but if they ever reached the level of power that the big two have, they'd likely succumb to greed.

It's not a politics thing -- it's a human thing.

 

agreed, we can't tolerate intolerance...

 

No argument here, but this is why my view on the burning Qurans thing is a matter of not caring if the crazies get offended.

If it gets to the point where people stop caring if burning their holy book results in their outrage, they eventually lighten up. It's just going to take a few riots until then.

 

Afghan has been a complete failure, by all concerned. Bush/blair also obama and whatever the uk goverment is this week. (it maybe camerons turn for leadership)

The rising civilian death toll and the comdemnations of torture to both uk/usa military. The huge corruption involved (foriegn contractors, oil rights and missing money)

The so called nation building like iraq has not benefited the afghan people with the amount spent and of course the death count to our militaries. The exit should have been several years ago. But someone has been filling their pockets over this fiasco. The corps hovering around like flies seems the nearest culprit, also our own goverments with the continued waste of tax money.

 

Don't look at it as crazy but as a backward tribal so therefore Religious based culture that shouldn't exist as lifestyle anywhere.

Its not a Lifestyle choice BTW its imposed presently by the USA,they are in charge aren't they dosen't invading a nation require you to have the power????

saying that burning of the local God nutter book tends to upset the God nutty so much they kill over it ,I am sure if i went to a Amish settlement and started burning the ione book they have they would want to kill me on the spot.

or maybe going to the frount of a southern baptist church and pulling out a few gross of bibles and a can of Kerosene???

or burning a few toras in a Jewish settlement on the West Bank????????

Do you understand why the secular revolution is necessary to re-establish that religion and Politics is SEPARATED everywhere on this planet?

The burning of books that are the only thing in people lives that is other then Abject poverty,that says something better is in the future ,you get it when you die ,yes the level of Imperialist Damage of War upon War upon War in Afghanistan for the best part of forever.

Its significant damage to human culture expressed in backward faith Thinking having currency.

all the present presidential candidates would fit right in if ever they convert to Islam .

 

ya a book is a book to me, a flag is just a piece of fabric I don't care if anyone burns my flag....but it's their book in their country
when in you're in another country you're expected to obey their laws no matter how barbaric and archaic they may seem to us...you would expect someone visiting the USA to do do the same, respect and obey your laws...you feel the US is tolerant(it is) when compared to afghanistan or some other Islamic country but US laws are likewise seen as barbaric/archaic when compared to many European countries...point of view is relative to the culture in which you live...

 

I say mission accomplished. Too bad we have to go hunt down the cowards because they are only capable of murdering women and children. In a real fight the USA would eliminate them almost as an afterthought.

reva

 

Your problem is that you have to go back 70 years to make a comparison. If you can not see the difference between 9/11 and the monsters that murdered thousands of innocents, and Christianity, and the systems that created both, your ideas are morally blind.

reva

 

yes enviroment determines ,now imagine if itstead of $US 1.2 trillion dollars was spent on Afghanistan to elevate the culture to science being the dominant ideology ?

Education ,healthcare ,application of modern Tecnology ,machinery instead of OX and wooden plow?????

no under capitialism its $US1.2 trillion ,on Cluster bombs ,Artillery ,Planes ,drones ,and 10 000 's of combat soldiers ,friendly NOT!

And to rub it really in BURNING OF THE FAVOURITE BOOK EVER IN THE AFGHAN Nation. stupidity US Imperialism another 50-100 000 insurgents from that alone maybe they want the Taliban to have a bigger social base as they enter into co-alition Government with Karzai?

Sounds about the truth!

 

The Afghans have a culture from the 1500s (centuries behind the modern world). Unless you literally brainwash most of the Afghan population, you're not going to get that kind of mental change. How much brainwashing would it take to make everyone in your state a believing Communist. That's about what you are calling for.

 

Yes retarded by imperialist Invasion for a start not just the present one but the British and everyone else that came through since Alexander the Great ,the silk road connection of trade between east and west.

now if you think its a question of brainwashing I say you don't agree with the Scietifically based idea that HUMANS ARE A PRODUCT OF THEIR ENVIROMENT,change the economic and cutural enviroment change the Human .its how we work!

The application of collective farming with the revolutionary device called a Tractor ,suppression of the Warlords and Landlord class,replacement of Male Mosques with schools of the Scientific type.

 

no I went back 40years and one example was only 20 yrs ago...and I only have to back less than 10yrs...105,000-115,000 civilian deaths due the Iraq war and occupation, a war that was justified with lies and fabrications...a war waged by an extreme right wing christian country on a secular arab state...imagine that a christian monster GWB responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 innocents...I'd say your sense of morality is twisted and selective but then it's more than likely you don't understand morality is at all...

 

Not sure of your point. Had mcveigh instead above pointed to someone burning a flag, bible or constitution to justify his actions, you would of had a point. And if instead of Mcveigh blowing up the building, and angry mob of 100s of angry Americans had done it, you might of had a relevant point.

 

The Iraq war was not in response to someone burning a flag bible or US constitution. Cant imagine what you are babbling on about now.

 

What was it about ,oh thats right getting Alqada and OBL,well alqada survives and so does OBL.After how long now 11 years nearly ,and before you say" OBL is dead",why believe anything out of the mouth of Obama and where is the film evidence?????????????????????

So what is the War in Afghanistan about please tell us because 10years plus and nothing achieved??????

Sorry correction ,Bankruptcy of the USa treasury achieved ,Quagmire achieved,2000 dead US soldiers achieved ,gee if thats victory give me defeat.

Playing on fear as the US government does, is a form of mass terrorism .

 

Oh dear look at this..

We have brainwashed ultra nationals, brainwashed zioni-christians, zionist extremists not giving a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Afghani civilians, women children and pets, thus support the occupation and murder of said people, but in doing so support the continuation of a costly war with no real aims, no chance of victory without conducting more genocide at a greater frequency, and support the needless deaths of our armed forces who should be used to defend our borders not breach others borders.

That's right, you guys support the deaths of our armed personnel in pointless costly wars.

Give yourself a clap, you deserve it you've won the world record for failed logic.

Oh and you dare call them barbarians, hypocrites!

 

That's assuming you're visiting a country rather than occupying it.

We're occupiers, not visitors. We're footing the bill for their reconstruction, so that's contingent on them putting up with a few book burnings.

 

Shoulda' tossed Karzai on top of the fire, we could apologize later saying we thought we were just burning the trash-plausible deniability.

 

It think about as much as the US leaders care about the US peasants that they send to die for their profits.

Maybe even a bit more.

"dumb stupid animals" is how Kissinger describes them.

 

You are right... it would be as silly as worrying what a bunch of meathead, obese, controlled little American junkhead peasants thought about you.

Good point.

 

Of all the things we've done in Afghanistan, people object to a few book burnings? Really?

Look, the outrage was more understandable for Fallujah in Iraq, but this...?

 

Is that the reconstruction after the carpet bombing that YOUR controllers authorised in the first place?

Yeah that is real big of you. Well done.

So your controllers make billions from the reconstruction after your other controllers made billions from the bombings itself.

What do you make? HA HA HA

Got to love gullible little Americans.