So the old man who (*)(*)(*)(*) dead one teenager and wounded another after being attacked while riding his bike shouldn't be trusted to tell the truth? The teenage mum who shot dead the robber who broke into her home shouldn't be trusted?
Forced sex? Really? So opposing infanticide is pro-rape now? You abortionheads are really getting desperate, aren't you? This isn't even a real argument. It's like you know you're on the wrong side of the issue and you're just grasping at straws to try to hold onto your position.
Who doesn't oppose infanticide? Are you saying abortion is infanticide? Because that would be a desperate lie. Not even a real argument, just grasping at straws.
I am a man and I am pro-choice, but why should we trust women, when there is no woman that gives up her motherly instinct to give birth sometime in her life, whilst feminists want us men to give up our instinct to have a woman sometime in our lives? Can it be because it is too easy to legislate men out into oblivion for some "interest-of-the-child", and we men are already replaced with something more useful? Isn't it preposterous that women ask for trust when they themselves would never trust us men?
Infanticide was not classed as murder up until the mid-20th century. It was understood that you spare your baby from the unnecessary suffering of starvation if you kill it. So, in a way, abortion has always been around, with or without technology, we can call it late abortion, I guess.
I wouldn't trust a woman with a gun to my head. When betrayal isn't in a creature's vocabulary, it's best not to put stock in that creature. Sure men betray, but they know they are when they do it, and face it when caught. Women are just "changing their mind", it is everyone else fault. As for abortion, do what you got to do. I doubt jobs are coming back anyway. We don't need more people on welfare.
How is it women's own bodies and their own lives? Wasn't it pointed out many times in this forum that every woman gets pregnant not by herself but by at least one man? So, is the man's body hers too then? And if so, then what comes after pregnancy, will that not make the father's life hers too? So then if the man's body and life is hers, why is her body and life not his?
Abortion HAS always been around, for as long as women have had unwanted pregnancies. Technology wasn't necessary; abortions were performed with herbs and sharp sticks, whatever served the purpose. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. Infanticide is the murder of an infant. They aren't the same at all.
You seem a little confused. How is a man's body affected by pregnancy? That's right, it's not. So it is a woman's choice whether to continue an unwanted pregnancy. I have never heard a woman express any desire to own a man's body. Maybe rent it for short while.....
So, isn't the man eternally connected to the woman who gives birth to their child? (Whether he wants it or not?) You are right, women rent our bodies, then pass it up as subprime securities to courts/legislations. Or, are you saying, that if a woman wants to get pregnant she can't arrange (easily) that she gets pregnant, irrespective to anyone around her? (There is no woman in the Universe who doesn't arrange to get pregnant at some point in her life, even though everyone knows that men barely have the opportunity to secure themselves these days, let alone some family.)
Quite a number of women cannot easily get pregnant, and no women can without the assistance of a man. There are quite a number of women in the universe who do not arrange to get pregnant and in fact expend a lot of effort to prevent it.
Theres a little bit of the mans life scattered in every pair of his undergarments and in Kleenexes in trash bins. He can afford to let his partner decide what to do with the bit he deposits in her. Abortion has been around a hell of a lot longer than that. It wasn't always after birth either; there were many natural ways in which women could end unwanted pregnancies. I read ancient Jews would insert sponges covered lemon juice into their vaginas. I think it was in the 19th century that Christians started calling abortion wrong.
Men are trusted to make decisions regarding their own reproductive health. There is no reason why women should not be given the same trust.
No. Absolutely not. You are required by law to support any children you may have. Of course she can't. She needs a man to provide sperm. What the hell are you on about?
Why no? Aren't men interested in their own children? By whos law? If you can get together enough suckers, you can write and pass any law you want. The initiation of pregnancy does not start with a man. The man is only a means to an end, an impersonal middle step as viewed by women. No. Laws are not applied individually. Statistically then, every woman wants to give birth sometime, and they do. (Discounting a few disabilities.) The man is not a part of the process. If men were a part of it, then 50 % of women would never give birth, as 50 % of men don't want the responsibility of children. Women give birth regardless of men. Gone are the days when women had an interest in keeping their men around. Feminism killed the relationship and women want to do everything by themselves, without regards to anything, and they are proud of this. All that women think they need is a fixed income legislation and they have it, so why would a woman be interested in any man after that?
Not all of them. Women can't have children without sperm from a man. Where do you get those percentages from? You're making it up as you go along. Just because no woman is interested in you doesn't mean they arne't interested in any man.
Yet no woman can get pregnant without taking the known risk or having a crime committed agianst her, and we know that the latter is less than 1% of abortions. So why is premeditated homicide acceptable in the 99% of cases again?
WHAHAHA I like this one. You are funny. I guess I am not old enough to know everything about women, but I learnt from their boyfriends that feminism is an exciting enemy. So, to answer your question, how much is the divorce rate in your country now, and before the child support legislation? WHAHAHA
Calling abortion "premeditated homicide" doesn't make it so, and repeating it endlessly also doesn't make it so. Having sex is consenting to sex, not consenting to pregnancy. We recognize that people frequently make mistakes when choosing to have sex, and we don't think one mistake made in the heat of the moment means a woman's entire life need be affected in a bad way because of it.
It is so, by definition of both words. Consenting to sex is knowingly taking the risk of pregnancy. Allowing and even encouraging her to kill her child will have a far worse impact on her life long term.
This is an interesting thread about "trusting women". If I was hiring a woman for a job in my company, with all things being equal except their view on abortion, I would choose the pro-life woman. It says a lot about her character. Just my 2¢. (No, I would never ASK a potential employee what their views are on abortion, because it is their personal business. The above example is just to illustrate how I would choose in that given situation.)
That means you wouldn't hire: Michelle Obama Laura Bush Hillary Clinton Barbara Bush Nancy Reagan Rosalynn Carter Betty Ford Pat Nixon because their character doesn't meet your standards.
