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  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I aborted the rest of your post. It was nothing but a boring laundry list you cut and pasted. It really was threatening the life of this thread.:mrgreen:

    The word I used "inconvenience" was directly derived from many posts right here on the forum that want to characterize a fetus as nothing more than a speck of something evil that just happen to blow up a woman's legs and implant itself as a 'parasite' so it can threaten the life of the woman.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Boring to you because it disproves your claim that women get abortions to avoid "inconvenience." As do these statistics:

     
  3. Blasphemer

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    Actually, conservatism has many characteristics of clinical psychopathy, or antisocial personality disorder. Inability to correctly apply empathy - being empathic with things that have no feelings or minds (such as fetuses), and not being empathic with persons that have feelings (women, poor people) or animals that can feel (animal rights), is one of them.
    Preference of (subjective) absolutist abstract moral rules over actual objective wellbeing/suffering and material conditions is another (logic over empathy) - for example the notion that taxes are theft, and therefore are evil, even when they result in increase of average wellbeing / decrease of suffering of sentient creatures.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

    What disorder characteristics liberalism exhibits?
     
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    Blasphemer Well-Known Member

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    Anyway, my point is that women should abort for whatever reason they want, because (early-term) abortion is not immoral in any way. Then why limit it?
     
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    Please highlight the ones that justify premeditated homicide!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah Whaler, you are a master of dysphemisms. But if you really mean abortion, the only justification needed is that the pregnant woman wants it.
     
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    So you think a person should be able to kill another just because she wants to? That is sick!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, another great example of dysphemism.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No just useless.

    I see you didn't bother to explain that your figure is a world-wide figure.

    In the U.S. it's 16.7 per 100K that die annually from complications of childbirth. There are approximately 4 million women who give birth annually in the U.S. That's only 668. One is more likely to die of something else.

    Since you are being completely disingenuous either on purpose or by ignorance and/or stupidity, I see no reason to waste my time any further with your post.
     
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    Facts are useless? Well, in your case...

    Because the link makes that perfectly clear.

    It may be a relatively small number, but it could happen to anyone in any pregnancy--that was my point. Furthermore, death is the worst that can happen to a woman, but the list of complications, many of them quite serious, is quite long. Pregnancy/childbirth is not a mere "inconvience" to any honest person.

    Those who say pregnancy/childbirth is a mere "inconvenience" are without a doubt dishonest and have an agenda.
     
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    When is it 'Give money to DA60 week'?
     
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    If the "victim" has no brain cortex, then absolutely yes.
     
  13. RPA1

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    Some facts are useless.

    A link you did not provide.

    You're more likely to die driving your car. So...Any woman who gets an abortion because giving birth would be 'inconvenient' is dishonest in your estimable opinion?
     
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    These particular facts are useless to one promoting the lie that pregancy/childbirth is an "inconvenience."


    The entire quote refers to statistics in developed and developing countries. Why would you think that one referred to the US?

    So, if I don't want to risk death by driving my car, that should be my choice.

    You're still ignoring the long list of other complications, many serious.

    Um, tricky revision there.

    Not an opinion, but fact: pregnancy/childbirth cannot be honestly described as an "inconvenience."
     
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    I'm just stating what rabid feminist 'pro-choicers' advocate. If a pregnancy is "inconvenient", just terminate it. Apparently that offends you....It should.

    Different countries, different health care, different beliefs, etc. basically useless to come to such a bold position that childbirth is dangerous. It's like taking apples and oranges and then smashing them together and expect to get a watermelon. It just ain't gonna happen.

    It is...But most everyone does it responsibly. If you get in a head-on crash at 100 mph because you didn't care to look at the road ahead, SCOTUS is not going to come down from 'on high' to whisk you away from the impact point.

    Most sane folks think of getting pregnant as a blessing and if most didn't there would be no human race.

    Revision? How so?

    Then it must always be convenient in which case the ONLY reason to get an abortion is in a life-threatening situation...The growing pyre of dead fetuses through abortions stands in stark contrast to your claims.
     
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    Guess you haven't heard that approximately half of all pregnancies in this country are UNPLANNED, so most of those unplanned pregnancies are unwanted. Pregnancy just isn't always a blessing, it certainly depends upon the timing.
     
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    Here is the correct usage of "inconvenient" from http://www.vocabulary.com/definition/inconvenience ...

    Obviously, a major life event which permanently damages a woman's body and is potentially health and life-threatening is not a "small irritation." Your continued trivialization of pregnancy and childbirth only shows willful dishonesty.
     
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    But according to your reasoning, it should be illegal for you to get medical care after a car crash. After all, you were responsible for the crash.

    Your standards are obviously crazy, immoral and inconsistent. The _only_ issue where you demand this kind of responsibility is pregnancy. Which means all of your "responsibility" yammering is a diversion, a meaningless red herring.
     
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    If someone was planning on murdering you do you want us to "butt out?"
     
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    But almost no one thinks abortion is murder, so what's the point?

    Now, many people think abortion is a bad thing, but almost no one actually thinks abortion is genuine murder. People only say that because of their loyalty to some politically correct dogma, a dogma which has prevented them from honestly thinking about their beliefs.
     
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    Did someone try to abort you at this late stage?
     
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    Link please
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's a reliable link:

    http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/contraception.htm

    In the United States, almost half of all pregnancies are unintended.1 Several safe and highly effective methods of contraception (birth control) are available to prevent unintended pregnancy. In the United States, most women of reproductive age use birth control. Between 2006–2008, 99% of women who had ever had sexual intercourse had used at least one method of birth control. However, 7.3% of women who were currently at risk of unintended pregnancy were not using a contraceptive method.2 The most popular method of birth control was the oral contraceptive pill, used by 10.7 million women in the United States, followed by female sterilization, condoms, male sterilization, and other methods of birth control.2 About 10% of women have ever used emergency contraception.2 Since 2000, several new methods of birth control have become available in the United States, including the levonorgestrel-releasing intrauterine system, the hormonal contraceptive patch, the hormonal contraceptive ring, the hormonal implant, a 91-day regimen of oral contraceptives, two new barrier methods, and a new form of female sterilization.
     
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    So the baby growing inside the woman is not human? LOL when has a woman given birth to a dog or a cat? Murder is the killing of a human being, which is what abortion does -- so go ahead and hide behind the medical terms and pretending that a human only becomes a human on successful exit from the birth canal.
     
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    Since you do not know 'almost everyone', I suggest you cannot know what 'almost everyone' thinks.


    Personally, I hate abortion.

    But I hate the prospect of a child being born into a loveless family with an infancy filled with loneliness, misery or even worse.
    Search the childhood of a murderer and more often then not I bet you will find it was an awful one.
    Same with a large number of those that commit suicide, I bet.

    So I am pro abortion.


    However, once there is brain activity in the fetus (at about 10-11 weeks I think) then that is a life, IMO.

    And to kill that life should be considered murder/manslaughter.
     

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