Japan´s PM: "We will stand up to China, the world wants it", Can Japan stop Red Hans

dreams of 1.5 billion people can make a big impact on any nation . and its not a dream its plan for future. find a new livingspace(s) or die from hunger.

 

good point, how do they gonna feed all those city size of NY, and army ...

 

How on earth are they going to take over North America?

Listen to yourself

We are a long way from China

 

But then, the Chinese rulers, of which government is 1/3, don't give a fiddler's (*)(*)(*)(*) what the people think. Go there. Even today, the people are obedient sheep, most not even realizing they are slaves.

I am certain this, if it is indeed Chinese aggression and not a response to taunts, is not about public opinion across the provinces.

 

It's a bit of a puzzler, yes. All I know is that they are indeed posturing in an aggressive manner. If they are basing things on the eventual evolution of a hundred years plan -- which would not surprise me -- then I fail to see how they are advancing any desirable goal along those lines in this short term. It probably has got some people in the Pentagon scratching their heads.

 

through banks and lucrative contracts , etc. read how USA did push UK from NA and Caribbeans (with any military actions)

 

It's that "generational" thinking.

I was once treated to some political philosophy from a professor of political science who had earned his undergrad degree in Bejing and defected to the decadent west in the 1970's.

he had an interesting perspective on Nixon's president-setting and historic visit to China. Where we pundits in the daily media were of the opinion that Nixon was securing the home front politically, Dr. Leung agreed, but added "What did China gain?"

We in the west think unilaterally. We see the advantages and disadvantages to us, where their thinking is global, as in who ALL gains and loses, not just the two of us.

To that end, the Nixon visit took on a whole new perspective, and where that took us in our course was, well, interesting. Looking back, and it's been 40 years now, seeing the industrial activity and the fact China has turned the US into a customer and a borrower, add the fact they think in generations and you have what we now see, an emerging industrial giant that has become so powerful, we do not even try to curb it, let alone stop it.

We need them more than they need us now.

Was that the plan 40 years ago? I honestly cannot answer that question in the negative.

And, I very seriously doubt any of the saber rattling we're seeing in the public eye is not strictly controlled and for the home audiences only. While they're talking tough on the TV, they're all equally aware what's really at stake: money, trade, profits; this isn't Obama and a macho weirdness about bombing Syria we're dealing with here, but shrewd businessmen and bankers who ARE the government.

 

Yes, and I always try to keep in mind while busting leftwing chops that the GOP's leadership is just as bad in their own way. Everything is either for short term financial or political benefit of relatively few and they are thinking ahead no more than a decade at most. Ditto for the DEM leadership and their grand plans; mostly it's all short term perspective stuff.

Countries taking the long view know that an event in the here and now that's an apparent defeat -- or at least seems to generate no immediate gain -- can eventually lead to great things down the line. Conversely something done here and now for relatively short term gains can have devastating impact down the line. As a nation we just don't seem to grasp that last point Left or Right.

 

Very quickly, what I see happening in China today is a parallel with a science fiction series from the 1960's, Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.

In one of the books, the new foundation is surrounded by enemies and about to be crushed it seems, but as the story develops we see that this "Foundation" has become an economic giant, producing gadgets and technological trash for everyday consumption. Every time their enemies try to launch a war, their economies collapses and they have to quit.

China is emerging that way...she is such a giant, her resources unlimited, the best cheap labor in the universe, slaves. She doesn't have to go to war, she will own the place in 50 years.

 

I see the US more preoccupied with the here and now than any other country, frankly.

There is an old Chinese tale that begins like this:

a boy in a village gets a horse for his birthday. All the villagers say "Isn't that wonderful?" And the wise elder says: "we'll see".

Then the boy falls off his horse, and the villages say "isn't that horrible?" And the wise elder says "we'll see."

Later, war breaks out and all the village children get called to fight except the boy with the horse. Some of the villagers say "Isn't that great" and some say "isn't that horrible because so many are being sent away?" and the wise elder says "we'll see."

When all the village children are killed in the war the villagers say "Isn't that a tragedy?" and the elder says "we'll see."

Then, because the boy is the only eligible bachelor left in the village he must marry all the young women, and the villagers say "isn't that wonderful?"

to which the wise elder replies "fun now, but it's going to be a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nightmare in nine months and we have to go through all this horse, war, (*)(*)(*)(*)."

 

But you committed atrocities on civilians, even children and these attrocities were worse than the Nazis and even the Turks. Your soldiers were proud of what they were doing and took pictures to show the people back home. I mean come on, do you really expect the Chinese, Koreans and Phillipinos to forgive and forget so readily? But then again, some people see compassion as weakness.

You do know it was the movies of these atrocities that gave the American soldiers in WWII the incentive to fight, so stop complaining about Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the bombing of Tokyo.

 

Yeah Charlie Wilson's War was great movie wasn't it?

Almost every war has been won and lost based on the availability of logistical superiority. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out wrong.

I don't think China is necessarily a paper tiger, however any action they took against a western country would be immediately answered by dozens of nations.

It would be just like WW2, the "allies" would have the logistical support of almost the entire planet. China, not so much....

Whoever posted about the 3 Gorges Damn destruction is absolutely correct. It is said to produce 10% or more of the countries entire energy production.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060609-gorges-dam_2.html

One F117 could fly low and take it out, not to mention what the flooding would do to their agriculture. They have a problem with food already, tens of millions would die of starvation.
http://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-all-stealth-aircraft-types/reference

China can't do a damn thing.... Yet.

And please, let's not think us owning the Chinese money would change anything.

If I owe a guy 10 grand and he punches me in the mouth, you can bet your arse I will rip up the contract that by the way would have no way of being enforced internationally.

On a personal note, I would cheer my heart out for Japan. Always respected many of the principles of Bushido.

 

Japan is dying, but it's not from anyone other than nature itself. I thought it was crazy when they began building nuclear energy plants considering how many earthquakes they have, but I guess they weren't 'enlightened' to do otherwise. I read that they are so worried about a large earthquake hitting Tokyo that they asked Russia to give back the islands because they needed to have somewhere to transport their people. In contrast to Japan, China is not that populated.

 

The Chinese have one of the oldest civilizations, don't you see anything worthy in that? Anyway my granddaughter visited her friend in Shanghai and said it makes New York look like a third world country. As for the Japanese I like the women, I find them lovely but I see a lot of anger and animosity in the men.

 

Yeah but China has all those ghost cities that Japan is going to need if an earthquake hits Tokyo with its ten million population. Best I think you become friends and mighty quick. Also you have polluted the oceans and how are you people going to eat?

 

China is now plagued with air pollution problems and major cities such as Beijing are almost uninhabitable and Chinese citizens are facing the negative consequences of the CCP's economic development policy, contrary to its utopian image as a workers' paradise. I have visited Shanghai but it was less spectacular than Los Angels and London and some former foreign districts in the city still have a colonial atmosphere.

[video=youtube;94OpRq8VrqA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94OpRq8VrqA[/video]

 

Obama needs to make a clear statement that we will not do business with any nation that goes to war with our allies and all US assets they own will be seized and/or frozen including bonds. China will get the message it applies to them and this will be over in a minute.

 

Ha! Beautifully presented . . . and pertinent.

 

No it didnt. Truman chose to lose the war on behalf of the America people.

 

well they where the true elite warriors of the east for centurys, they had to put a boot or sword up the masses as*es from time to time to keep them logical .like the knights of europe

 

Knights of Europe, those were those horrible people who oppressed their countrymen for position and power and were later killed by those same peasants once armed?

History of chivalrous knights and samurai are largely overblown. The US Marine Corps is the embodiment of honorable warriors. Not those clowns.

 

It's in their mentality and gene,
the US was so successful in taming them, I think after the world warII surrender signing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

During peace time they even catapulted themselves to become the second largest economy in the world,
these guys are really capable.

 

agreed, do they enough capable to stop the Red Hans?

 

agreed

really, would you call them the best warriors in the history?

 

i m not that sure as you are. many states will stay neutral and wait.... many will take Hans side: Argentina, Brazil, Afghanistan, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, many many African countries , whats about France believe me the they sick ou The Anglo-Saxons dominance , Singapore(?)