Kushner triess to bribe Palestine!!

I would call the issue religious, generally speaking Islam doesn't play well with 'infidels'. The Arab world would be a lot better off if they stopped obsessing about .02% of the world's population.

Muslim agression was around long before there was an Israel.

 

I know how he lives, it isn't bad. Moving into the White House was downsizing for Trump.

 

What about, what about, what about.

Whataboutism.

You're still trying to justify what Israel is doing that is absolutely a crime.

Let's remember that inside Israel Arab citizens of Israel are denied the right of regurning to their own property IN ISRAEL. This is just one of the aspects of the aprtheid that exists here. It's not just a matter of Israel confiscating the land of people who escaped the danger of war and by international law DO HAVE THE RIGHT OF RETURN.

 

Israel considers anyone who is not Jewish (Christians, Muslims, etc.) to have secondary rights to those who are Jewish. Pot/kettle comes to mind.

And, your argument certainly does NOT pertain to the issue I brought up - the issues that we see as so fundamental that we believe they justify war - freedom, self representation, etc.

 

So...you do not know, instead you just assume. I do not and every indication points to his being very dishonest so I do as every former ally does and distrust. Hell the guy cant even get a U.S loan anymore because he has screwed every bank here.

 

Can I get your pocket change?

It's the only issue.

"palestine" is full of people who just want to kill Jews.

Israel is the only civilized country in the ME that welcomes everyone, including "palestinians".

Since Israel could wipe out "palestine" in a weekend but haven't done so, the only reason they're still fighting is because the "palestinians" want to keep killing Jews.

 

The vast majority of the world sees Palestine as a separate state and would NOT view wiping out Palestine as a legitimate act, given that there is no legal basis for doing so. Also, a single state solution such as that would mean that it wouldn't be long before Jews were outnumbered.

So there are serious reasons Israel doesn't simply conquer Palestine.

Israel's immigration policy strongly favors Jews, not Christians or Muslims.

Remember that Israel is a JEWISH state - something Israel holds as a supremely important objective.

 

Carter bribed Egypt not to attack Israel.

 

Sure, a state with a terrorist group as a form of government, who's stated objective is the destruction of Israel.

The only reason Israel doesn't completely destroy "palestine" is because they don't want to. They could do it any time they want, but they don't.

The "palestinians" can't destroy Israel, but if they could, they'd kill every man, woman and child in Israel.

Tell me, what's the immigration policy of all the surrounding Islamic-only countries? Hmm?

 

What fundamental principles our founders stood for did Egypt give up for accepting that bribe?

I think you'll find that isn't a reasonable comparison, as the pressure on Palestine is to give up fundamental rights that WE would fight for.

I don't believe that Washington, Jefferson, Madison and the rest could be bought for a bribe. Our declaration of independence is for real - not a product to be sold.

 

And to 129 other countries of the world - more than that, but Gaza and some other places are not really countries so they does not count. What's the BFD? Some of us travel. Extensively.

 

No, that is false. The leadership of Gaza agreed to join the Abbas unified government which included them signing that only peaceful means would be used and that the single objective concerning Israel was that they be neighbors in peace.

Palestine is not presponsible for the immigration policies of other nations.

 

That's about the same number of countries that recognize Palestine as a state.

That's why the US failed to prevent Palestine from joining the UN as an observer state.

 

Them Israelis, terrible warriors. Remember them flying 5,000 bombing sorties into the world's target richest environment, killing only 2,000 people? That comes to expending 12,500lb of high explosives to kill a person.

Don't tell me Israel is waging a war on Gaza. They proportionately retaliate to Hamas rockets, Molotov cocktails and whatever else Gazan Palestinians are throwing at Israel. No more than that.

 

Palestine is not a state, its a joke. At best, Judea and Samaria are places where Palestinian goats make short work of their own olive trees. Sorry.

 

No doubt, anti-Semitism is still strong in Europe.

How is that different than Muslim nations seeing themselves as Islamic states?

 

Yup, if the Palestinians got rid of all their weapons, there would be peace, if Israel did that, there wouldn't be an Israel.

 

Palestinians will have to stop lobbing rockets into Israel before anyone considers giving them a state.

 

I wouldn't worry about "Israel's war on Gaza"
Gazans love it.
Just this week they set fire to southern Israel 14 times (all Israel did was to slow down fuel deliveries!)
And rejected the grand peace offer of open borders, industrial parks, rail link, sea port and an airport.
And teach their kids to hate Jews and continue fighting forever till all Jews are removed from what they
consider to be their homeland.

 

You mean like this?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-to-probe-palestinian-textbooks-for-incitement-to-hatred-violence/

 

This isn't a matter of antisemitism.

The opposition to ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with it. Regardless of any attempts at "justification" on the part of the offending nation, ethnic cleansing is an humanitarian crime.

I'm not arguing that it is different. I'm not in favor of ANY nation considering its government to be serving a religion.

I just pointed out that Israel is in that bucket.

You keep dodging the issues with your "whataboutism".

Here's a "howaboutism" - how about we address this problem without holding the parties to be responsible for all similar defects around the world. The notion that we can point to other problems as an excuse is a PROMISE to NOT solve any related problem. And, we're not going to solve all the world's problems - but this particular problem DOES require a solution due to its size, its character and the fact that Israel is an ally.

What we stand for (rule of law, freedom, democracy, representation, etc.) becomes a JOKE when we promote the activities of Israel.

Let's stop being hypocrites when it comes to the founding principles of America.

Israel can be a vibrant, successful country without ethnic cleansing.

 

Are you suggesting that in a war, one side should fight and the other side should NOT fight?

I really don't understand your logic here.

Would YOU fight for YOUR homeland?

You're argument about ethnic cleansing is abject hypocrisy. Israel IS carrying out ethnic cleansing. Palestine is NOT. In fact, Palestine has stated in no uncertain terms that they see a future where Israel is a neighbor with whom they live in peace.

So, you're ok with Israel's criminal activity on the grounds that you think Palestine might commit the same crime? And, you think that when it's clear that Palestine has decades now of pursuing peace?

 

Exactly what Israel is doing.

No they aren't, they could kill every Palestinian fast if they wanted. Thank God the Palestinians don't have that capability against Israel.

 

There are 195 countries that recognize Palestine as a state as of last August or so. Also, Palestine is a nonmember observer state of the UN - which indicates that UN member states see Palestine as a state.

I don't like lobbing rockets or other similar acts, but the fact of the matter is that Israel is waging war against Gaza and Gaza doesn't have the ability to fight by other means.

We're not going to see Gaza NOT fight as long as Israel continues to fight and also refuses to negotiate - or even talk.

The bottom line is that Israel has the power to stop the fighting - not Gaza. And, Israel is refusing to take ANY of the steps that would lead to an end.

 

I've already said, I don't give a rat's rear end about the UN. That spot they occupy on the East River would make a great parking lot.