Kushner triess to bribe Palestine!!

I agree about the route of "some" of the walls. I don't doubt the reason why they are there.
If the "Palestinians" do a peace deal with Israel that is credible and sticks there is no end
to what they might negotiate long term.
But there's too much violence and corruption within Palestinian society for that to happen.
Too many people have a vested interest in the violent status quo.
As for "ethnic cleansing." Are you referring to Egypt's Nassa saying he would drive the
Jews into the sea? Or maybe the Iranian Mullahs threatening to nuke the Jews? Or the
Syrians saying they will cut the Jew's throats?

 

Why not? Nothing else has worked so far?

 

As a child I got into a squabble at the house of two brothers in the neighbood

After a few blows were struck I managed to get one brother in front of me as a shiel while I twisted his arm behind his back

Naturally he screamed for his momma

But when she came outside all she said was

“Quit fighting with him (meaning me) and he will let your brother go”

That woman had more sense than all the mideast peacemakers combined

 

Question:

What would you do if Israelis came over to the US, took your land and built settlements on it, then sent some troops along to protect those settlements? If you tried to take your land back, they'd call you violent and terrorist? Be honest!

 

Jews did not take the land from arabs

They bought and often overpsid for barren ground thst the arabs didnt want

A process that actually began before WWII

Palestine was never a sovergn land after the fall of Israel back in Bibical times

It has been ruled by the Romans and turks and british

There never was a palestinian nation

But there could have been under the UN partition plan that the arabs rejected

 

Better question - what if the Nth American Indians were driven clean out of the USA.
And they came back later to settle the land - buying back with hard cash what was
once their own. And then the white Americans tried to kill them so the Indians had to
fight for their lives.
That's a better analogy.
There WAS a nation of Israel 2,000 years ago.
There WASN'T a state of Palestine until the British made the local Arabs this offer
if they would accept the Jews returning and buying back some land. The Arabs
accepted the Palestine deal but not the Jew deal.

 

Am I wrong? Gaza was Egyptian and the West Bank and Jerusalem were Jordanian?
Didn't the Lebanese and Syrians claim chunks of Northern Israel and Galilee?

 

WillReadmore, how about talking truth instead false propaganda?

There only ethnics cleansing in the West Bank is done by Palestinians. What happen to Christian population in Bethlehem? In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86 percent Christian. But by 2016, the Christian population dipped to just 12 percent.
And what about Jews wanted to buy a land in Gaza of the West Bank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws

So let’s stop spreading propaganda and let’s talk truth.

Yes, Israeli rule is not 100% humanitarian, sometimes is brutal and sometimes not. Palestinians fight against the occupation is the same – sometimes they try to kill Israeli soldiers and sometimes they try to kill any Israeli, civilians, including women and children.

After the 6 days war Israel wanted to return all territories for peace – no Arab country wanted to talk.
Now the situation is different – there are many Israeli convinced that God wants Jews to keep the land and many Arabs convinced that God wants to kill all Jews.
I am optimist – if Jews made peace with Germany, Jews can make peace with Arabs, the question is if both sides can compromise.

 

What is Israel doing to the Palestinian economy? Do you know?

 

That's a pack of falsehoods, distortions, and misrepresentations. Oh and spins too.

 

Gaza and the West Bank would have been part of the new Palestanian state under the UN partition plan

During the 1948 war Jordan captured the West Bank and I believe egypt occupied gaza

Which Israel won back on 1967 along with the Golan Heights

 

All that has been tried is bullying Palestinians.

 

You think the big bad Jews just got off the boat in palestine and started slapping around the poor defenseless arabs as they stole their lands?

 

I believe the actual history.

 

I don't see the evidence for you assertions concerning Palestinian society.

Their leadership has been focused on peaceful means. President Abbas has worked with the IDF and on his own to prevent violence. The IDF trusts him in that - and they're in position to be his harshest critics were Abbas not doing so.

Abbas formed a unity government that included the leadership of Gaza, who agreed to the terms Abbas set out - restriction to peaceful means only for achieving a Palestinian state recognized by Israel, the final objective being that Israel, the final objective being that Palestine live side by side in peace, and that no seats in the government would be reserved for existing leaders of Gaza - meaning they would all face election. The leadership of Gaza agreed to those terms.

Netenyahu killed this direction through economic moves against Gaza as well as by making it clear that there would be no way allowed for Gaza and West Bank elected officials to travel between the two parts.

No. I'm referring to Israel stealing the property and bulldozing the homes of those in the West Bank, giving that land exclusively to Jewish Israelis. Look at a map. Palestinian controlled territory in the West Bank has now been divided through Israeli military force into a bubble in the north and a bubble in the south. Israelis own and live on the property along the Jordan river on the opposite side of West Bank.

Were you being serious or were you attempting to make an excuse for ethnic cleansing?

 

Do you have ANY idea what our political, economic and military aid to Israel has been???

 

No but I can look it up


https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present

About $3 bil in 2017

 

That is the actusl history

The Jews bought the land they settled on

 

Israel was only a kingdom, never really a nation.

The Land of Israel (Hebrew: אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל, Modern: Eretz Yisrael, Tiberian: ʼÉreṣ Yiśrāʼēl) is the traditional Jewish name for an area of indefinite geographical extension in the Southern Levant. Related biblical, religious and historical English terms include the Land of Canaan, the Promised Land, the Holy Land, and Palestine (see also Israel (disambiguation)). The definitions of the limits of this territory vary between passages in the Hebrew Bible, with specific mentions in Genesis 15, Exodus 23, Numbers 34 and Ezekiel 47. Nine times elsewhere in the Bible, the settled land is referred as "from Dan to Beersheba", and three times it is referred as "from the entrance of Hamath unto the brook of Egypt” (1 Kings 8:65, 1 Chronicles 13:5 and 2 Chronicles 7:.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel

 

So, why do we not play the role of you momma?

Why do we support Israel's war on Palestine, along with its ethnic cleansing of West Bank?

Nobody needs to read more than our declaration of independence to see that our position wrt this war is counter to our own fundamental beliefs.

 

At one point france was also just a kingdom, many kingdoms in fact, so was england, belgium, spain, poland, austria...
A nation doesn't need to have borders. The Iroquois Nation doesn't have border but they do exist, so are the french canadian in quebec who are recognised as a nation by the Canadian government.

 

This isn't about buying land.

No other country can buy Arizona. They CAN buy property there, but Arizona remains part of the United States and we're not going to give it up simply because some country bought the land.

In West Bank, Israel is taking land in West Bank and making it part of Israel - no longer under Palestinian law.

There is NOTHING legal about that. It IS an act of war. And, it HAS come with Israel bulldozing homes and taking land by force.

Plus, portions of West Bank where Palestinians reside is being ruled not by the Palestinian government, but by Israeli military law - in many cases carried out by mercenaries who are pretty much never held to account for their actions.

Jews didn't make peace with Germany until Germany stopped slaughtering them.

And, Israel has stated that it has NO INTEREST in compromising. It's interests lie in the economic benefit of continued ethnic cleansing in West Bank and making perpetual war on Gaza.

 

That's not all of it. And, it is what Israel is willing to claim.

For example, that doesn't cover stuff like US military equipment (jet fighters, transport planes, etc., etc.) that is in Israeli use. It doesn't cover loan guarantees. etc.

Also, you mention one year. But, Israel claims it's been at that level every year since 1985. And, it's been higher than that in earlier years.

 

The arabs have always rejected the peace option

And as a result control less and less of palestine

 

It does not include loan gurantees but certainly does include hardware like jets