Kushner triess to bribe Palestine!!

OKfine, but in the OT "Israel" was the new name given to Jacob. So Israel, then, was a person. And his descendants were "the children of Israel." And their homeland was "The Kingdom of Israel". There were Jews. There were no "Israelis". There were "the children of Israel". And in the kingdom of Israel lived Arabs, just as Jews lived in the kingdom of Judah.

 

I have a family bible dated 1885 and it has 16 maps of the Holy Lands in the front, from different times in history as it was known in 1885.

One map is named "Physical Map of Modern Palestine". The Arabian Desert is to the east, "The Great Sea" to the west, Gaza and "Bahr Lut" (the Dead Sea) to the south, and Beirut to the north, but no trace of "Israel" anywhere.

Another is named "Palestine at the Time of Christ". Again the desert, the Sea, Gaza, "Sycamina" now known as Haifa, "Berathai" ("Berytos") now known as "Beirut" to the north, but no sign of Israel.

Of the 16 maps, just one, which is named "Kingdoms of Judah and Israel" shows Israel.

So I think my point is that the area went through many, many changes in 2000 years and in all cases both Jews and Arabs were present. Only in modern times have Zionists invaded and declared a Jewish state and named it "Israel". And only in modern times have indigenous Arabs been persecuted and terrorized by Zionists.

 

Absolutely! !!

 

No they haven't. They left. Or the name did. Hell bring back the Hittites, Caananites, and every other nites as well and give them some land they may have once upon a time lived in.
How about Neverland for Peter Pan?

 

No. How could something non existant for 2000 yrs claim anything?

 

No. Those were Jewish settlements only, founded by Jews on purchased land.

By the way, 80% of the land belonged to the Ottoman sultan. Most of the rest belonged not to local Arabs, but to absentee landlords, like the Sursock family in Lebanon (Greek Orthodox).

Sure. Local Arabs had fierce enemies to deal with - semi-nomadic Bedouins who frequently raided and destroyed their farms. Many Palestinians living today in the area are descendants of those Bedouins - like Tamimi and Erekat families (former PA prime minister Saeb Erekat).

However, my point was that Jews settled in Palestine long before Balfour. There was a constant trickle of Jewish immigration in Palestine, both from Europe and MENA. "Trickle" because Ottomans didn't allow massive immigration, and often expelled Jews from certain areas (the Golan Heights come to mind).

If you want to talk about Arab lands and indigenous Arabs, you have to prove your premises - that the land was indeed Arab and those Arabs formed a nation indigenous to Palestine.

Meanwhile, in Mandate Palestine:

https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/27420/arabimmigrationi26gott.pdf

Reductio ad absurdum is a technique to expose logical fallacies.

Oh look, there's a logical fallacy right there in your reply - a loaded sentence with an unproven premise. There's no proof that facts are stacked against me. That's your opinion, not an established truth.

If those Arabs were indeed indigenous to the land, as claimed, they must have left traces in history. A centuries old nation doesn't just evade any and all scrutiny, what with all the wars for control over Palestine and archaeological research all over the place (much of which was done long before the creation of modern Israel).

Another meanwhile moment, this time in 19th century England:
a travel book has been published, with the title "The Land of Israel: A Journal of Travels in Palestine, Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1865", by H. B. Tristram.

Why didn't Tristram mention a non-Jewish Palestinian nation in his book, choosing instead to emphasize the link between Jews and Palestine?

Some Arabs were in Palestine, of course. The question is, were they the members of an ancient Palestinian nation indigenous to the land?

Come to think of it, a thriving Jewish community have lived in the territory that became Iraq for 2500 years, long before Arabs. Are they a separate Jewish nation, indigenous to Iraq? Can they claim Iraq as their national home? Can we have a Jewish state for Iraqi Jews in Iraq, pretty please?

 

Palestine should start mfg solar panels instead of suicide vests. And live up to treaties. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-deal-silent-on-peace-prospects-idUSKBN19Y1EZ Abbas has implemented a system of "universal basic income" predicated on islamic martyrdom. Abbas regime has created a demo-socialist dystopia. Naturally you admire that.

 

Israel declared independence on the 14th of May 1948. That's reality, that's a fact.

The USA exist only since 1776, yet they did declare independence from Britain. Their creation is linked to their existence, just like Israel. Also, previous existance as no effect on present day existence. If it had, then the palestinians could never achieve statehood either as they never was a palestinian nation before today.

 

Both Arabs and Jews lived in that region with no "Arab nation" or any "Jewish nation". Only when Zionist terrorists invaded on the "invitation" of the Balfour Declaration were there repeated and organized attacks by "Jews" (Zionists) on indigenous Arabs for the purpose of creating a racist "Jewish" state with Jewish (Zionist) control over that state and whose boundaries were said by Zionists to be changeable depending on how many Jews might move into the new "Jewish" state. IOW, if Jews kept moving there from other countries, Zionists would keep seizing Palestinian lands and homes to accommodate those Jewish immigrants.

 

Illegally. Given stolen land. They need to leave.

 

If nothing else, anti-Semitism is alive and well among Democrats.

 

Your obsession with Tehran is misplaced, and beside the point.

IF there was no Iran, Palestinians would still want to be free from Israeli persecution, which has been going on in one form or another, for a century.

 

Irrelevant.

Using your metric everyone would have to move back to africa.
Beside I'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, so need to continue this back and forth.
It seem that leftist poster on this board are more and more reduce to trolling since they're pretty much unable to make a valid argument to defend their position. It's a shame that this board has lost so many great posters and has pretty much jumped the shark at this point in time.

 

Is this why they behaved badly in Jordan and Lebanon and were kicked out of those places? Was it the jews persecuting them there too?

 

Lost them as in banned?
Guess those u like were worse than what think is trolling. Maybe a site that isn't an echo chamber isn't for you.

 

You're not even coherent now.

 

Will dumb it down.
Find a site that only has posters who think like you.

 

Or you could go yourself since it seems to be affecting your mental health.

 

Oh brother. There was no "Israel" 100 yrs. ago.

 

Rather typical in these conversations. That when a pro Israeli is unable to justify why the Jew gets to ethnically cleanse around, than they resort in personal attacks, by default its calling their opponent an anti-Semite.

 

LOL. My mental health is fine. What about yours? No real response, only personal attack.
I have no problem with others opinions. You are the one who's complaining. And then need to lash out. Bada bing.