Kyle Rittenhouse from bullied teen, to Kenosha Killer ?

your first error:

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...le-rittenhouse-break-law-carrying-assault-st/

your second error: the videos show a fight in action, NOT what preceded the encounter. No denying one of the participants had a gun....the problem for defending Rittenhouse is explaining WHY Rittenhouse traveled 40 miles with a AR-15 to put himself in possible harms way....who initiated the confrontation? And why the hell didn't the cops arrest him while walking around with a AR-15 declaring he just shot someone?

 

If it were not for him getting fired up at a Trump rally I might see things from a different angle but I'm not buying what appears to be premeditation or at the very least, a willingness to harm and/or kill. Trump has given racists a green light and that's why they hold the freak of nature dear and close to their Fascist hearts.

 

I am looking at the facts....another yahoo who latches onto extremists, racist tinged ideology to feel important...a "wanna be" cop with access to a weapon he damned well shouldn't have...and who got the "okey doke" from the local cops and whatever piss poor excuse he has for parental authority. Hell, HE HAD TO TURN HIMSELF IN! No warrant. There is no video as to who exactly started that confrontation that led to the shootings....mind you, if it had been a black kid in that position, the cops would have shot him dead.

He may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but he's "sane" enough to stand trial for his actions.

 

I doubt it. There are political social repercussions for shooting a black kid. If a white kid got shot, you probably would hear anything about it except maybe fox News.

 

So that what, justifies everything Rittenhouse did?

 

My good man, you do realize what are all these protests and demonstrations are about, don't you? You are aware of the most recent uses of unnecessary deadly force against black folk by police....documented...since the beginning of the year, right? Or maybe you should look up what's been going on in the last, oh say, 30 years on this subject in America. I mean, REALITY does make your assertion rather absurd.

 

Not one other ethnic group besides African Americans have ever gotten the special treatments that African Americans have. The others studied and worked hard to achieve what they achieved. This in spite of awful US behavior such as internment camps during world war 2. Japanese who had been loyal Americans for generations. Same with the mistreatment of Irish and Italians and the Chinese instrumental in building the railroads.

And one might remember that the African American community never worked for social justice for any other group than African Americans while other groups fought for them.

As for Native Americans, they have never been assimilated but don’t whine incessantly, even though they have a right to. African Americans discount even their experience because African Americans want to be the sole victims so they get the full share of the poor poor pitiful me pie.

Slavery ended 155 years ago for Christ’s sake. If reparations are due the ones who deserve it are long dead.

Continue your pity party for African Americans. There are plenty who are successful because they put in the work.

I received no special treatment and worked my ass off through university and then professionally. There is no reason that African Americans cannot do the same or even less with the mat rolled out for them as it is.

As for Rittenhouse, I’ve expressed that he should be tried for what appear to be crimes. You should read my posts before you attack me on assumptions.

As for the Trump supporter who was murdered in cold blood. I said that the perpetrator should be charged as vigorously as any other rabid animal criminal. I did not care if he was black or white.

I assume he is a hero to you killing a Trumper as was shouted out just before his murder.

And you might want to stop using terms like the orange oaf. It detracts from the narrative and makes you appear adolescent.

Think about it.

In the meantime I’ve decided that you are far too angry and emotional for me to invest my time in.

I wish you the best though.

 

Here is an interesting perspective with video I’d not seen before and presented by an attorney.

Looks like one of the assailants also had a weapon and openly regretted not emptying the magazine into Kyle.

So now the US has liberals who have taken to liking guns when it suits their agenda.

Kyle should never have been there I agree. It was a childish and impulsive and arrogant decision. I wonder if his parents bear some legal responsibility.

But how dangerous is the US going to allow this to become?

 

And this is why politifact is hot, smelly garbage. First of all, politifact starts off by talking about how you need a concealed carry permit and Kyle wasn’t old enough to have. Which is correct except Kyle wasn’t concealed carrying, he was open carrying which is perfectly legal. So right off the bat politifact shows you they have NO idea what they’re talking about. Now to address the “error”.

1st “error”: Politifact asserts that “Wisconsin law stipulates that "any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.". Which is true. They even link you to it here:
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/605/2/b/1m

Of course they link you to the wrong spot (making me think they’re intentionally being deceitful so you won’t read the whole section). The part they are referring to on that page is 948.60 Section 2A

What they either didn’t read or don’t want YOU to read is Section 948.60 Section 3C which states:

(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

Being that Kyle is 17 years old and he was not carrying a short barreled rifle or shotgun, he was not in violation of 941.28 and he was in compliance with both 29.304 and 29.593 which ONLY speak of people under 16 years of age.

So again, Kyle, according to Wisconsin law, was perfectly within his legal rights to carry a firearm.

 

The good news is there are actually quite a few videos. And they, conveniently, all document that events as they unfolded with these convenient things call time stamping that allows one to aggregate the videos to enhance the viewers understanding of the events from multiple perspectives that all, inexorably lead to the conclusion that Rittenhouse was attacked, not once but at least three times by the lawless thugs who were there rioting in the public square. The self defense he demonstrated showed remarkable restraint. He certainly isn't, as you, and others, have characterized him as some mass shooter active shooter perp. Media is going to lose this one too. Folks have and will continue to see these videos, and wonder how the folks at CNN, MSNBC, NBC CBS, et al can so willfully mischaracterize the facts held within those videos in their attempt to swing the narrative against what they see is someone fighting back against their narrative.

 

Bottom line:
Left violence good or at least understandable.
Right violence bad always.
If you don’t understand that then you are a cretin and stop asking so many questions. Shut up! We explained. Don’t make us make you shut up!!
I think I get it now.

 

Hmm...You seem kinda pejorative here. Like you can't understand what the video actually shows, which was Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse, who had a gun but wasn't pointing it at Rosenbaum. Why do you suppose Rosenbaum was intent on assaulting Rittenhouse in the first place? From witness accounts, it was because he was party to asking folks not to loot from a local business, and the accounts suggest that Rosenbaum threatened Rittenhouse, who then ran away. Why do you suppose that Rosenbaum (convicted sex offender and felon) wanted to assault Rittenhouse? Hmm... That's you're first problem.

I'd ask you this question. While Rosenbaum and his crew of ANTIFA thugs were out there destroying pubic property, stealing, or otherwise being the criminals they actually are, where were the local Kenosha PD? Why weren't they actively engaged in protecting those businesses? You seem entirely willing to ignore that part. Why is that?

So, Rittenhouse has different values than you do, obviously. You'd flame the kid for being there armed, and yet you're entirely comfortable with criminals tearing the place up. That seems pretty conflicted. why do you suppose that is. And for that matter, why was Grosskreutz, the guy who got his elbow shot, there with an illegally concealed hand gun? or does your pejorative mind only allow you to be angry at the targets your media told you to be angry about?

I'd suggest the Kenosha PD didn't arrest Rittenhouse because he had spoken to them, walked to them with his hands in the air, and they didn't see him as a credible threat to them, unlike the melee that required their efforts to eventually break up. Can you explain that? you seem perplexed by cops perhaps recognizing that he was the victim that the video demonstrates he was. Your narrative is not going to change minds, it will only serve to cement just how wiling folks on the left, like you, are willing to ignore the actual violence perpetrated by your paid for thugs to destroy communities for having the bad fortune of having had a cop make what is likely a poor choice.

Tell me, why didn't you write this when the Phoenix PD officer executed a white guy for playing video games? Where were you rioting in the street then? Your decision to focus on the race narrative I think is instructive for the rest of us. Determined ignorance in the finding of grievance for racial punishment seems to by the thing you desire here.

 

Everything I've read lately including law periodicals points to a complete acquittal of all charges. The consensus is based on both federal and Wisconsin laws and the prosecution is facing an uphill battle. It's a fascinating case, quite possibly one for the books. Defense funds are starting to pile up in various GoFundMe accounts, I imagine the NRA will discreetly play a role in this as well.

 

The second that kid left his house in Illinois HE WAS BREAKING ILLINOIS GUN laws you are not permitted to drive with a loaded assembled gun in your vehicle and at 17 he is not old enough to own a weapon in Illinois unless his parents authorized it in writing. If they did then his STUPIDITY put their future lives and well being in danger and their home if they own one.

 

I just find it astonishing that until someone exercised their right to self defense, liberals didn't see the destruction happening in Kenosha as "violence. It seems entirely possible that this current "concern" is being launched because democrats see the violence as helping with their election potentials, and this uppity snot nosed white kid from IL of all places is getting in the way, dang it..... LOL

 

Um... you literally have zero evidence that your claim here is true. You have no evidence that the weapon was either a) assembled, or b) loaded. Thanks for demonstrating that. Further, possession doesn't equate to ownership, and third, are you making a credible threat against his family? Here, on a public website? Really?

 

Maybe the kid is dillusional and thought that he was play acting. But the events were not play they were real. That is possible.

 

Hard to argue with most of that.

 

YOU DO NOT GET IN A CAR armed AND DRIVE TWENTY MILES TO ANOTHER STATE FOR SELF DEFENE!!!

 

I don't know if he's delusional but there is clearly something wrong with him and that would include severe stupidity.

 

Yes. Rosenbaum threw something at Rittemnhouse and tried to take his gun.
What do you think this proves re: Rittenhouse acting in self-defense?

 

First of all do not claim that I called a mass murderer because I did not. I called him a killer because he did kill two people. This is not about any media "losing thus", this is about a kid who got himself where he should not have been and people died. He claimed that he was going there to "protect property" a property that he had no legal interest in.

The Trump supporters are hooked on finding someone who they can manufacture into a "hero". So since this sad kid killed two people who were demonstrating the Trump supporters really want to make this kid into a hero.

I looked at videos and do not see any clear proof that he acted in self defense. The mist important thing is that I did not see any clear evidence that those who chased him had any intent of doing anything but disarm him. Did the pursuers act smartly? No. Did Kyle actbsmartly? No.

 

Thank you for your concession, that you cannot provide evidence which proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Kyle instigated or escalated the conflict in a manner that legally negates a claim of self-defense.

 

-Another- false statement?
Sad.

 

Not wholly a person.
As we know from the abortion discussion, "human" and "person" are not the same thing.

"Crime"? Of defending himself?