Bowerbird said, You don't want to believe that there might be a coverup. You champion abortion and you won't listen…even if the evidence i would present would convict yours. You have blinders on…and have no investigated to know the truth. It does not matter. You say a woman has the right to abort because its her body. So what…now you say she can't abort because its a hard decision? What is such a hard decision? Is abortion wrong? What does the 24 week mark mean? That all of a sudden its human, its a person…..and worth saving? LMAO You don't think a woman would want to kill at 24 months? Hell abortion is legal until then for crying out loud. ARe you denying abortion happens at 24 months? I can't imagine people aborting at all with the scientific information available that speaks to life. So if she wants to abort at 24 weeks….what should you care? Please…….to stupid to reply too. And Wiki…..a source, so reliable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy Very few deaths occur…in most cases both can be saved or the woman can be cared for until the baby can survive and be born. You talk about pregnancy like its a death sentence,,,like its a terminal disease. We are talking about nature…..and yes complications occur….but most can be dealt with. My daughter in law spent two weeks in the hospital when she was 23 weeks with complications. They gave her the drugs she needed and in the end my little grand daughter was born healthy at 27 weeks. She did not die, nor do the majority of children like her. In what cases do you induce? I said the same thing…..the statistics out there are not accurate because first off late term is illegal….unless the health of the mother is in danger…and in those cases ANY WOMAN CAN GO TO A HOSPITAL IF HER LIFE IS IN DANGER. SHE WOULD GET HELPED THERE. We are talking about women who want to kill their child whose lives are not in danger….who might just suffer with stress. How on earth could we know how many of those happen? Do you think doctors would report cases like this? Tiller didn't…and was investigated for years. He doctored his books and everyone knew it. And reports about late term abortion would hurt the abortion industry as would any information about PP clinics that have been reported that do not even meet minimum safety standards. But they are out there. The media won't report them and it is covered up. And when they are reported….people like you do their best to discount the information. In Lime 5 by Crutcher….he names clinics and infractions. Did you know most abortion deaths to women happen because something goes wrong with anesthetic. The abortionists in most cases are NOT liscensed in this area and women are over medicated.
Also the site you gave….I mean come on its one persons opinion. There is no way we will ever know how many late term abortions are done……THEY ARE ILLEGAL…. We just know that when they are caught…..they are shut down. Before Roe abortions were done in doctors offices so says PP. Did we have stats on this? NO…….why? IT WAS ILLEGAL…YOU THINK THE DOCTORS WILL ADMIT THAT THEY DID IT AND THEN REPORT IT TO THE GOVERNMENT? LMAO
Churchmouse, you support the death penalty. Why don't you support the death penalty for EVERY crime, instead of just a few?
However given the higher incidence of adverse outcomes - especially with late term abortion, and more particularly with illegal abortion then we should be seeing these women admitted to hospital - I would have to ask why THOSE cases are not reported to the relevant authorities
Some are reported and some are settled out of court. People do not want their daughters, wifes name in the paper…doctors do not want to face consequences that would affect his practice. Lime 5 is a book written by Mark Crutcher. It documents by name case after case of PP clinics that fail to meet even minimum standards of safety. He also documents by name….court cases where women do die. And like I have said before….most die due to anesthesia. It happens everyday….you just don't hear about it. Why? For the reasons I just gave and also because PP working with the media…do not want to report this. The more stuff like this is reported the more ammunition can be used against against the pro-abort community.
How can I answer this….I don't think it should be legal. But I believe in stiff penalties….if you murder someone you don't stay in a club med…type prison. You have hard labor the rest of your life.
It's all a conspiracy! Crutcher says, "After more than twenty years of legalization, they have yet to even approach minimal safety standards, and American women are being butchered because of it." A review of Lime 5 says this: http://www.publiceye.org/body_politic/mag/back/art/0610pg06.htm Some documentation...
What do you call a woman in good health who decides the terminate a pregnancy at the eight or nine months? A killer. What do you call a doctor who performs the procedure under those circumstances? A killer.
The newspapers don't identify such women by name. Something to do with privacy my dear. But how about the women who sought out this guy's services? http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7906881
Hmmmmm' http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7906881 Okay - if it was as reported tell me - what would motivate a woman to risk her life yet.
I could site many reviews that are positive but you can google which you did .so you know they exist. Crutcher documents factually that this is going on. It is a coverup and although he does not mention names .all you have to do is to research the case file and get the names. He did not want to expose the women in the book by name. He should however have exposed the abortionists name. You posted one review wow.
I wish this were the basement where we could say anything without worrying about getting banned…… THERE ARE LATE TERM ABORTION CLINICS THAT ARE CLOSED ALL THE TIME. IT HAPPENS…….YOU DO NOT HEAR ABOUT THE CASES BECAUSE OF ALL THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS.
I can't say as a matter of personal knowledge. However, I can speculate. I would guess such monstrous action might seem reasonable to people of a lower order of consciousness. The phenomenon can be described in other ways, but it always comes down to a lower order of consciousness.
PF is wise not to have a Basement. Debate Politics does have a Basement and it has ruined that site by allowing the creation of ongoing vendettas. A Basement poisons a forum.
I was banned from Debate politics because they do not have free speech…I was not permitted to use pro-abortion towards those people who are pro-choice. I could care less about that site….its full of left wing radicals who want to silent free speech. I never use profanity but it is hard to address someones worldview without demeaning them…so we walk on pins and needles when addressing those we find immoral. And I find the pro-abort stance immoral. Beliefnet is another site that does not allow free speech….many of them don't. They protect those who are pro-abortion.
Debate Politics is clearly inferior to PF. It is so over moderated that it has become the play thing of a few. But during my temp suspension from PF I returned to DP. There is a way to get one's message across there, but it requires out thinking the moderators.
YOU ARE PRO-ABORTION…and they like abortion. I refuse to not use the term pro-abort when it comes to pro-choicers. Books are written about the terminology and in the pro-life camp that is our position. So how do you debate a position when your hands are tied behind your back. The moderators on that site…i fought with for over a year..they are unfair…and they wanted me out because they could not debate the issue. The entire site without exception is hostile to Christians, Republicans…and anyone who is pro-life….so they banned me.
This site is one of the better ones at least my hands are not tied .yet. The majority here however are liberals .as it is on most sites.
I am deeply conflicted about abortions other than late term abortions. I am conflicted because the ideal of individual liberty is paramount for me and I am uncertain about when humanity starts. This doubt and uncertainty restrains my voice, except when it is clear that humanity exists. The way to debate harsh adversaries is by asking them difficult questions that they can't honestly answer. Abortion advocates have an internal inconsistency in their logic that can be used against them. No one wants their weaknesses exposed to sunlight. For example, ask abortion advocates if the woman's right to choose gives her the right to terminate a pregnancy for purposes of gender selection. This is the common practice in China and India, and from what I've read it is increasingly common in immigrant communities in America. Similarly, the founder of Planned Parenthood was one of the creators of the Negro Progject overtly designed to decrease the numbers of people who they thought to be undesirable. That's why African American women have roughly forty percent plus of the abortions in this country despite being less than thirteen percent of the population.
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