Lawrence Wilkerson: NATO will split if proxy war with Russia continues, raising the risk of nuclear

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I reposted what you wrote .. so perhaps you need re-read your own drivel. Did you not recognize your own words ..

    "a disgusting minimization of Nazi Atrocity" - "Fratboy trolling rather than measured argument informed by Study"

    What part of the sentence - You are projecting your failings onto others - is difficult for you to comprehend - is some secret language you can't figure out ?

    What part of - a disgusting minimization of gross violation of essential liberty - has you stumped ?

    and last What part of MAGA Ad Hom and strawman fallacy are you unable to understand ? :)
     
  2. Heroclitus

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    “A disgusting minimization of gross violation of essential liberty” is garbage. It doesn’t make any sense. What is a “minimization of gross violation”? Nonsense.

    I’m now trying to unpick the garbage of this next piece of nonsense: “MAGA Ad Hom”

    Let’s assume you mean that to criticize MAGA is an “ad hominem” point. Even if that’s what you mean that’s rubbish as MAGA is not a person (hominem) but a grouping of people who are defined only by their agreement on certain policies or philosophies. Any criticism of MAGA is therefore an “ad argumentam”criticism not an hominem criticism.

    As to “straw man fallacy”, if you wish to make the case that I have made a strawman argument then make the case. Describe what argument you are referring to and explain why it is a strawman argument in your view.

    This is basic stuff. It’s not a Trump rally where you are supposed to just guess what the man means as he rambles on in an incomprehensible stream of consciousness. You are writing gibberish and I can only assume this is done deliberately as a debating tactic.

    If English is your second language I apologize as it must be hard to debate in a second language. But your post simply doesn’t make sense.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Seven out what, thirty-one?
     
  4. Jack Hays

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    Doesn't matter.
     
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    That is not what I said at all. Article Five is the article in which NATO must agree to go to war. It states that if one nation in the alliance is attacked, then it attacks all members. The Warsaw Pact had similar terminology and it is pretty standard in any type of military alliance that nations agree to, in not so many words. That being said, the Baltic States broke away from the USSR when the Berlin Wall fell down in 1992, and soon after, the Warsaw Pact countries also broke, including Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. These countries have split. Czechoslovakia broke into the Slovak Republic and the Czech Republic. Yugoslavia broke into six countries: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro, and Macedonia.

    The Baltic States were conquered by the USSR in the 1920s after WW1 and the Bolshevik Revolution.
     
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    I'm describing you.
     
  7. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is with this focus on getting personal Durandal .. presenting nothing but fallacy and personal invective. post after post of Ad Hom Fallacy trying to demonize the messenger cause the message has roughled your curls ..?! building strawmen because you have no response to the actual argument .. attaching made up fantasy to the messenger so you have something you think you can argue against.

    Tell us what urked you so much to produce such a reaction Durandal --- Let us go searching for the Poison Lizard in hopes of extraction.
     
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    You started it.
     
  9. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "You started it" This is preposterously false and completely unprovable meaningless nonsense ... but, what matters who started what as your post is fallacy regardless. Do you not understand what an argument is Friend ? .. perhaps we can start there as this is expected in the Adult Room don't ya know !?
     
  10. Durandal

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    When are you going to quit with the ad hom fallacies and discuss facts?
     
  11. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    And here you are engaging in more ad hominem and posting off-topic nonsense about vaccinations.
     
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    LOL! You know this, how? Crystal ball? Ouija board?
     
  13. Jack Hays

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    You continue to seek a discussion on any topic other than Ukraine.
    “We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
    ― John F. Kennedy
     
  14. Giftedone

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    Another made up falsehood Jack. The Azov Nazi's are part of the Ukraine discussion - with which you are desperate to deflect and avoid .. the extremist authoritarian fascist ideology -- lack of respect for "Essential Liberty" This is a term you should learn Jack - and perhaps you too might come to respect the founding principle one day ..once you are able to grasp the meaning .. and then perhaps you will cease from thinking you have the right to impose forced medical treatment .. just like prior-during the coming of age of the Nazi's ... lest you confuse the Holocaust with what is being discussed...

    Now lest you continue this deflection .. tell us your thoughts on Biden's mandatory VAX program .. and his Mandatory JV Team Marching Orders .. to the death of the last Ukrainian .. because "We shall pay any price" -- meaning the price of dead Ukrainians .. which is not really much of a price for Biden .. not his citizens.. is the lovely thing about a war by Proxy . you know Jacko .. the Ukraine war .. the one you been avoiding discussing .. but now your big chance to shine .. tell us about your support for "Forced Medical Treatment" like cheer team brother Durandal. he don't mind that none no how - Jab away to save the day .. but you Jack .. how bout you .. Stand up and be counted .. state your case.

    We covered this D .. you don't know what AD Hom is -- what Ad hom have I engaged in ... and your authoritarian ideological prognostications are definitely on Topic--- doing the "Orc Orc" cheer .. the Azov Nazi dehumanization trope .. but never mind ... we know your position on the Jab .. disregard and dismissal of Essential Liberty .. and Nazi Atrocity. Looking for Jack to stand up and be counted.. see who the real Patriot in the room is .. someone who stands for the Founding Principle...
     
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    Nah. I think the world sees Putin for what it is: a modern Hitler. Ukraine is today’s Poland. And Trump is today’s Neville Chamberlain.
     
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    Re the "Azov Nazis," the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm uninterested in your attempt to make such a small group the focus of discussion.
    Biden has no mandatory VAX program.
    Meanwhile, Ukraine is winning the war.
     
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    Of course was a mandatory program -- mandatory to keep your job - mandatory to travel - go to public places .. What Covid Pandemic are you talking about "No Mandatory Vax Program" .. and the kooks would have gone further if they thought they could get away with it..

    and obviously the discussion has gone beyond the Azov Nazi -- to an ideology held by more than group . such as these Mandatory Vax types .. and especially the ones that don't recognize what forced medical treatment looks like..

    Was there something about Jab or lose Livelihood that you did not comprehend Jack ? Jab is "Mandatory" to work at or to keep Job.

    Good we settle that - no need to ask further where you stand on Essential Liberty -- hatred of the founding principle .. disrespect Liberty and deminishing atrocity .. Thats how totalitarian states function Jack .. the people become oblivious to the Gov't and collective atrocity .. and everything is a lie .. not sure who sold you on the falsehood that there was no Mandatory Vax Program .. but at least we have resolved your propaganda fail - claiming no propaganda in west - but now you have proof that someone sold you a lie -- telling you no Mandatory Vax Program .. in an effort to try to deminish and deflect from atrocity.

    and now we come full circle you see Jack .. Ukraine now back in the spotlight -- the same propaganda machine that lied to you during the Covid Pandemic .. is lying to you now .. your completely unsubstantiated nonsense claim "Ukraine is Winning"

    Winning What Jack ? .. have they managed to break through the first line of Russian Defenses .. establish a bridgehead in near two months of trying meeting only with abject failure .. and very high losses of men and equipment.

    Where is this "Winning" Jack ? they have yet to take any territory past the first line of defense back .. When they gonna move into Crimea Jack .. with anything other than terrorist attack .. establish a bridgehead ..

    This is what losing looks like Jack .. said to you by your own sources .. what brand of deflection and denial is this .. you claiming others are the ones deflecting from discussion of Ukraine .. Your own source told you 30% in the first month Jack .. 20% in first two weeks .. 10% in next two weeks .. and been running at ~10% since then - not factoring the last weeks big moves which resulted in heavy losses .. and big failure .. despite bringing equipment back into the game .. instead of the smaller human wave attacks in the Grey zone.

    Where is this Winning Jack .. what source is feeding you this nonsense and what is the basis for claim .. what is the benchmark for winning?
     
  18. Jack Hays

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    There was neither a COVID propaganda machine nor mandatory vaccinations.
    The "Nazi" nonsense is merely a Russian propaganda deflection to divert attention from Russia's defeat.
     
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    China doesn't report all their prisoners.
     
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    Stomping feed crying "No No NO" is not an argument for much.

    Huge amount of covid propaganda --- the Transmission Lie -- the lie about risk of harm being two examples. One day it would be good for you to understand what propaganda is Jack.

    Your claim that mandatory vax or lose job (or not get hired) is not Mandatory Vaccination .. False nonsense on steroids.

    And finally -- Pointing out that the propaganda narratives that you parrot about Russian defeat are propaganda and explaining why .. as was done in the previous post .. is not deflection from your posting propaganda Friend .. you just don't know what propaganda is so you don't realize what it is you are consuming.
     
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    I was and remain a strong proponent of COVID vaccination, so I'm not sympathetic to those who refused.
    Russia is losing the war. That's why Putin is talking about peace talks, Medvedev is talking about nukes, and you're talking about anything but the war.
     
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    NATO will never split because of Russia
     
  23. Destroyer of illusions

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    This is one of the options. In this case, as everyone knows, the Russians will go to heaven, but the rest will just die.
    The second option is that NATO will settle down, express concern and ... will not want to die because of the Poles or the Balts.
    Soon we will find out which option will happen.
     
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    We'll see soon.
     
  25. Hey Now

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    Well, if Crooked Donnie gets his way, you might have legs with this one^^^. Vlad is doing what he can behind the scenes again.
     

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