Let's clear a few things up about the dossier.

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Wow, what is now believed to be part of the Russian misinformation campaign needs to be disproven? Why don’t you and your puppet masters try to prove it?
     
  2. struth

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    McCabe testifies it was essential to the FISA warrant. Now we know the DOJ has reason to believe it was part of the Russian misinformation campaign all along...essentially Obama’s DOJ was using Russian misinformation campaign material to lie to a judge and spy on an American. Horrible.

    It’s no wonder the Dems are throwing out threats at Barr and obstructing his investigation into this
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the more important issue regarding the dossier is not necessarily how much is true. The important issue is to address the use of the dossier by Trumpists to try to discredit the oranges......sorry......origins.......of the investigation and the approval of the FISA warrants.
     
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    Where is that evidence in the Mueller Report. Looks to me like you've got your own problem with myths.
     
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    Pathetic flame baiting and nothing else on your part, HTM.
     
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    The Mueller Report does not need to satisfy nutty far right extremists.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It shouldn't be used to justify the Trump haters hatred either.
     
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  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is an exhaustive, detailed look at Don's criminality Trumpists keep trying to mischaracterize in order to maintain their myopic view of their Dear Leader.
     
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    Free bump..it's silly threads like this that create more republicans....thank you
     
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  14. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So..........the GOP gains more members when the lies of right wing media are exposed? If that is true.......the country is doomed.

    FBI and DOJ officials did not abuse the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) process,
    omit material information, or subvert this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign.

    In fact, DOJ and the FBI would have been remiss in their duty to protect the country had they not
    sought a FISA warrant and repeated renewals to conduct temporary surveillance of Carter Page,
    someone the FBI assessed to be an agent of the Russian government. DOJ met the rigor,
    transparency, and evidentiary basis needed to meet probable cause requirement, by
    demonstrating:

    contemporaneous evidence of Russia's election interference;

    concerning Russian links and outreach to Trump campaign officials;

    Page's history with Russian intelligence; and

    Page's suspicious activities in 2016, including in Moscow.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4387028-Memo.html
     
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  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democratic memo: Here are 6 key points in Schiff's rebuttal

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...o-here-key-points-schiffs-document/370388002/

    "The Steele dossier had its origins in opposition research commissioned by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, and was later paid for by an attorney representing the Democratic National Committee. A key allegation of the Nunes memo was that the FBI failed to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of those facts (that is a lie).

    “Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials,” the Nunes memo said.

    But the Schiff memo provides additional context. It quotes the original warrant application on Oct. 21 as saying that the “FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.” That candidate, of course, was Trump.

    Schiff said those generic descriptions were the result of an FBI policy of not “unmasking” sources or targets of intelligence — something Republicans have accused the Obama White House of doing. But even without specific names, Schiff argues, the FBI “provided the Court with more than sufficient information to understand the political context of Steele's research.”
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In case you didn't get the memo:
    No collusion
    No obstruction
    No impeachment

    MOVE ON!
     
  17. struth

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    Sorry, I’d rather wait on the official investigation is completed by law enforcement instead of what House Dems thoughts
     
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    It's a valid question.

    If were playing the "it hasnt been proven to be fake so it must be real" game, then let's play.

    Using that logic, you could never, ever, ever prove someone didnt do something. Is that your excuse for why you're not upset that this circus has gone on for 2+ years now?
     
  19. struth

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    Is this the same Adam Shifty that promised that he had clear evidence of a conspiracy between trump and Russia??? Hahahahah why anyone still believes this guy is unbelievable!
     
  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By the "memo" you must mean Billy the Bagman's effort to obscure what Mueller reported. Crimes committed by Individual 1.

    "The president committed crimes.
    There is no way around it. Attorney General William Barr’s efforts to clear President Donald Trump, both in his original letter and in his press conference the morning of the report’s release, are wholly unconvincing when you actually spend time with the document itself.
    Mueller does not accuse the president of crimes. He doesn’t have to. But the facts he recounts describe criminal behavior. They describe criminal behavior even if we allow the president’s—and the attorney general’s—argument that facially valid exercises of presidential authority cannot be obstructions of justice. They do this because they describe obstructive activity that does not involve facially valid exercises of presidential power at all."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/

    Now Billy B is complicit in the admin's refusal to cooperate with Congress' right of oversight.
     
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    Saying "Dear Leader" as though that is how Trump supporters view him is deeply insulting and will gain your argument nothing. You simply hate Trump so much that you just can not stand the idea of extending his supporters the barest amount of respect or courtesy can you?
     
  22. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In my view, respect is earned. I have no respect for anyone who supports a man emblematic of corruption, moral indecency, dishonesty, and a blatant disregard for the rule of law. Any time you want to get specific about any of those accusations I'm glad to defend my position.
     
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    Still wondering how Cohen pulled a super ninja move, and slipped into Europe unnoticed, you know since your travel is monitored by the United States government, and European authorities.
    Why didn’t Mueller just tell whatever alleged airline Cohen traveled on to hand over documentation?
    Since Cohen tried everything he could to save his own hide, why would Cohen not come clean about traveling to Prague?

    I’m sure the resident spammer could address these glaring discrepancies.
     
  24. Dayton3

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    I hate idiots who constantly prattle that "respect is earned". Respect is not earned. You extend respect to people simply as a way of dealing with people. Showing people respect is much, much more about what you are than what other people do.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I understand your need to dwell on the inaccurate assertions made in the dossier. Trumpists conveniently ignore the fact that it was a piece of raw intel, reporting on various leads Steele had been informed of but not followed up on by him to verify them. The minions use the inaccuracies as a desperate cudgel in their defense of all things Don.
    As I have already stated, the importance of the dossier now is how it is still being deceitfully used by the WH and right wing media (and The Following) to try to discredit.............and distract from.............Mueller's findings of obstruction by trying to undermine the legitimate reasons for the Russia investigation being originated.
     

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