Life after the far right is gone

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  1. saintmichaeldefendthem

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    So the necessity of taxes justifies making those taxes as high as possible, even to the point of paying for much more than the basic functions of government?

    Tell me some more about how your "education" is better than mine because I'm religious.
     
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    lol yeah sure bub...better check your stats again, conservative estimates in the USA run at 13%, and that not taking into account the number of people in the closet afraid of revealing their thoughts to the intolerant masses...and atheism is strongest in the under 35 age group(the best educated), obviously as dinosaurs die off religion will become endangered as each succeeding generation will become less religious...Canada atheists now make 30% of the population and will be the majority in 20 years...

    american generally education sucks which explains why atheism in the USA trails countries with better educational results but that verifies the education/religious belief correlation...the usa is alone among developed western democracies that still believe in noah and the great flood fairy tale...
     
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    A zygote under the correct conditions becomes a human. A skin cell cannot.
    A zygote is the first stage in all human life. It is a unique combination of new human DNA. The skin cell is merely a copy of the DNA from the original zygote. If you look at things in a conservative (meaning less risk, not politically), the only sure point for the beginning of a new human life is the moment when a sperm and egg meet and form a zygote that can become a new human life. Any other point is arbitrary. That said, at this time in the abortion argument, I would be more than happy if we simply use the same abortion standards that most of the EU uses--namely first trimester abortions only unless the mother's life is in danger.
     
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    54% of Americans believe they are over-taxed. I woulda thought the number was closer to 95%. You ask those Americans if they think the price of a T-bone steak is too high and I'd bet you would get a lot more than 54%. If you asked Americans if they ENJOY paying taxes, my guess is the answer gets close to 0%. In other words, the percentage of Americans who believe they are over-taxed is ridiculously low.
     
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    Life after the far right is gone

    Both the far right and the political right has already gone. No one pays any attention to yammering conservatives anymore. Democrats think of them as silly toddlers and simply ignores them. If they were a problem, Obama would shut them up. Instead he humors them and allows them to be mischievous masochists, amusing, pathetic and prattling about a hopeless cause.
     
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    First, I don't care about Canada, I live in the USA. Second, I'm gonna have to see your link to substantiate your data claims. Here's what I have:


    religion.png


    Note that the percentage for atheists and agnostics was at 3.7% back in 2007 and has risen to 5.7% in 2012. A far cry from your 13% number. So yeah, it's growing, but it'll be awhile before that number becomes significant. As for the under 35 age group, we'll see how they feel in 30-40 years, might just be a change of opinion there.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/
     
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    I'm willing to bet that if all Americans actually paid federal income tax, instead of just 53%, the number of people who believed they are overtaxed would be much, much higher.
     
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    Good of you to admit that he cares nothing for the Constitution.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    How much education does it take to realize you're getting a bad deal on "running a country" or "maintaining your health"?
     
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    It's literal meaning?
     
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    ya the term "mental life" is pretty self explanatory unless you give it an extra definition like the one you added.
     
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    Not sure what you mean by extra definition. But please,...let us in on this literal meaning you apply to it.
    1. What is it? and
    2. Why does it matter when it comes to your argument?

    -Meta
     
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    literal as in the words themselves and their meaning, taken at face value, no definition needed.
    because there is "mental life" in a functioning human brain before 20 weeks unless you give extra conditions to the definition of "mental life"
     
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    That's an odd way to put it, as definition and meaning are pretty much synonymous.

    Mental Life
    The continued existence/operation of the mind;
    specifically as relating to the total emotional and intellectual responses of an individual to external reality.


    Is that what you mean?
    What proof do you have that your version of mental life exists prior to the 20th week?

    -Meta
     
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    the simple fact that the brain exists at week four is proof enough for me. just because the brain waves aren't "consistent" that doesnt exactly mean the mind doesnt exist or isnt operational.
    brain waves at day 40
     
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    When do you think the brain/mind become operational when it comes to emotional and intellectual responses?
    Just because parts of the brain exist, does not mean that there is an operating mind or that the brain is mentally functional, does it?

    -Meta
     
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    brain waves at day 40
     
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    How many productive working Americans do you think are available to take surveys? How many busy entrepreneurs, doctors, lawyers, other professionals, do you think those surveys poll? Then of course we have constant "question framing bias" in such studies. I don't care what result, or what political view obtained in a survey study, they are all highly suspect IMO.
     
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    How much tax did you pay last year?
     
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    Hmm, that's interesting. The Overview you posted seems to be in direct contradiction to the JAMA study
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201429
    which states that EEGs indicating normal intermittent brain activity aren't observed prior to 24 weeks PCA (26 weeks),
    and it also contradicts a number of other sources that state electrical activity of any kind from the brain is not observed period prior to 12 weeks.
    I should also point out that, as the JAMA study notes, EEG patters are not sufficient for functionality, as certain structures (ie: cortex) must also be in place.

    The source for your overview was the American Pregnancy Association, which hasn't exactly been shown to be an unbiased entity in the past,
    and when taken in comparison with the other sources that contradict it, it does seem to be the odd man out,
    but despite this, I'd still be willing to accept its data if it was also based on a peer reviewed study that backed it up.

    So I looked into it, and as it turns out, the data point was based on something,...however...
    http://www.svss-uspda.ch/pdf/brain_waves.pdf

    -Meta
     
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    Life after the far right is gone..

    Will be finally a peaceful world, where people cooperate and share the resources equitably, and where there is no more disparity....

    Until someone's cattle starts grazing on some wide open desert land on vegetation which the cattle rancher thought was part of the "equitable sharing" part of the new social order arising from the absence of any far right opposition.
     
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    Well, aside from the mean-spirited rhetoric--those with whom you disagree on political-philosophy matters are "dying off," you gleefully report--there is the (rather obvious) fact that the political-philosophy inclinations of twentysomethings are not usually the same as they are upon their reaching middle age. So your (rather gratuitous) assumption that the leftist tendencies of the young represent a seismic "shift" in voters' fundamental attitudes is, well, quite unfounded.

    Oh, and as regarding the second paragraph, above: If you really wish to be taken seriously, you might want to contemplate the difference between "throws" and throes...
     

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