Funnily enough that is what this thread is about not primarily the unethical stance of Uganda but where they got that stance from - the Neo Con's, IRD, people like Scott Lively and and Rick Warren, Right wing Christian fundamentalists and heaploads of deception and cash.
Oh so you managed to read this http://www.publiceye.org/publicatio...frica-full-report.pdf#page=13&zoom=auto,0,718 in a couple of minutes did you. I have not yet finished it. However we have here a situation where in 1981 IRD was formed with the distinct intention of stopping social progressive Christians - hell look what they did to help South Africa. The Anti Gay Agenda: Orthodox Vision and the Christian Right by Didi Herman. In this he writes how right wing conservatives have used homosexuality and abortion to unite Conservative Groups. He defines the Conservative Right as a white movement that is conservative politically as well as theologically Apart from it's anti gay stance the Christian Right is pro Capitalist, pro Militarist and anti welfare. In Africa however it means something different and comes under the banner 'Evangelicalism' which African's believe means biblically and doctrinely orthodox without the anti welfarist agenda it has in the US. Africans generally do not discriminate between the Christian Right, evangelicals, the neo conservative IRD, US Mainline renewal movements, Holocaust Revisionist Scott Lively and right wing megachurch leader Rick Warren. They believe they are all simply representatives of American evangelicalism. It is about 'cultural wars' and the report is on Uganda, Nigeria and Keyna. One particular point is that Africans believed they had no homosexuals prior to colonisation. These neo conservatives are telling African's that is right and gay people are simply an aspect of neo imperialism which the West is trying to infect them with. They then tell them of the dangers which gays produce to the family and so on. This is serious stuff and totally shocking. The neo conservatives and Christian right are more than anything attacking mainline Christianity in the US, using the strength of congregations in African countries to overpower Western Christian progressive thought concerning oppression, human rights social justice when the ideas these people have in their minds are the ideas created by the Right Wing West themselves. It is a shocking report. http://www.publiceye.org/publicatio...frica-full-report.pdf#page=13&zoom=auto,0,718
While neo conservatives political and religious work on creating Homophobia in African countries, they keep very quite about such homophobia in countries which are their supposed allies. I hear it is not widely reported in the news.
I'd bet there are plenty on this forum that love this law and wish it came to America. Thank God America is way better than that though.
You should try reading, as my point was in response to the claim that homophobia didn't exist in the Orient until the emergence of Western Colonialism. Therefore, the Koran's homophobic interpretation prior to Western Colonialism would disprove what the other poster was claiming. Apologies if basic logic is too challenging for you.
Ugandan's believe they do not have any homosexual's. They believe it is a Western 'aberration' That they are an attempt by neo imperialism to trick them. That is what they have been taught by the various people from the West who they believe are collectively Evangelical, (which to them means orthodox in doctrine....not lacking social conscience). They then are taught that such people have the ability to destroy their society and that progressive Christians are evil who, would you believe 'promote' homosexuality. Finally the ooodles of cash with no questions asked has got African Religious and Political Leaders hooked.
The alternative to these licenses for Sexualization off the young people is abuse to the children in the next generation who practice these things which feminists and homosexuals preach as their right inside the nation they have socially contracted with. It seems easy enough to avoid punishment if no one tell or asks about a person's sexual behavior, so the effect is to drive all sexual promiscuity underground, out of the adolescent world by making shame and illegality the rule for children to abide by. Its a lot like the repression of feminism in Muslim nations, which is an alternative to the 1.2 million annual abortions that would otherwise become necessary as in the USA. Islam mandates a dozen stoning of promiscuous women in lieu of millions of babies being killed.
You would think if liberals were so sure of their convictions they would be in those countries protesting for these gays...I guess liberals only care about those they can pander to for votes. They really aren't interested in equality as they see it.
Sounds like a great movement to me. What does this have to do w/ the fact the supposed American 'architects' of Uganda's homophobic legislation condemn the legislation?
I am sure it does suit you but you are going to have one hell of a time when your child is LGB or T? If they have the reason is obvious. This is a job in process. They obviously do not want their position to be known until the time is right for change in the US. You seriously believe that people who are lying their pants off and bribing African leaders are going to tell the truth about that to the US.
I think they are correct. America preaches sexual promiscuity in every form and kind world wide. Though the Christians, who actually practice Christianity, agree with the sanctions against overt open in your face sexual solicitations, the world view is that America is Christian, which it no longer is. So, yes, Christianity gets the bad name in Uganda. In defense of Christian Americans, the USA instituted Blue Laws against Sodomy almost from the moment the Puritans g]hit the East Coast. People tend to forget that before 1950, the USA was hardly different from Uganda in wisely controlling the sexual instructions given through open discussion, naked dress codes, Gay Pride arches, Rap Music, Rock N Roll, Movies, easy No Fault Divorce, the rise of Single Mother Families, TV, etc. Sodomy and rape and divorce was repressed and harshly punished as it ought be.
Really? And liberals whine about gays not being able to marry here.....kind of shows what they are all about.
Yes, the homosexuals are there, doing what they do, and everyone is content and happy as long as the children have no clue that they are there. Don't Tell on anyone and don't Ask anyone is the safety net for doing these things which no one hears about nor sees in the dress code or mannerisms or discussions between adults. It is equality in that the same repression of straight adult indoctrination of the young people also exists.
There is no proof that homosexuals have some tin foil hat conspiracy to indoctrinate children. NONE. And indoctrinating adults? So you believe that it's a choice to be gay? Why then did you choose to be straight and at what age did you make that choice?
What Americans need to realize before it is too late is that these Feminists and Gays are positioning Americans to defend the country militarily, in support of this culture of sexual depravity and promiscuity these people want to Export into Muslim Nations. Bin Laden was shocked that the USA had no clue what 911 was all about. Islam clearly sees the subtle instigation against their culture by the Feminists preachers and Homosexual world-wide agendas which are trying to undermine their patriarchy by inciting the women and young sexual eager adolescence. Americans need reconsider whether World War against terrorism is a noble challenge when the stakes are Oil and Sexual corruption of these Islamic peoples.
They've been vewwy, vewwy quiet. Why haven't they endorsed even the least harshest law physically punishing homosexuals?
Young people once were under the impression in America that no sex occurred, in spite of the evidence that babies were born every year. The whole subject was Taboo, and Shame was what young expected if they mentioned sex, said the "F" word, got caught kissing, or became pregnant excusable only by quick marriage. Abortion and Gay Marriage were not even dreamt about as a subject for discussion. Then, in 1965, the Feminists coupled together with the Gay hairdressers, fashion designers, and Interior Decorators started the Sexual Revolution which now aims at Islam over seas.
? If they do NOT tell their father, no matter how powerful the Oedipus Drive to "kill" him might be, and their mother is NOT "wed" to them by secretly sharing their confidence, how these parents even KNOW? The issue is that Don't Tell and Don't Ask has always been the code of conduct were the only Crime and Punishment that occurred was when these people wanted to advertise.
These "liberals" are Draft Dodgers, anti-military, peace-niks who get our troops killed by manipulating the politicians once we are engaged with enemies they are creating for us to fight. The Muslims see our every expanding communication networks "invading": their cultures with this pornography, Gay Pride Marches down the main street of JERUSLEM, no less, and TV/Movies/music swamping their young people.
This is something the report covers. Human Rights workers and progressive Christians need to take into account that the brainwashing has already been done. Those who advocate for rights for LGBT are seen as being neo colonialists. They are also presented to the Africans as evil people promoting homosexuality. Suggestions are that this has to be looked at and tackled anew by such ways as Globalisation of US culture wars needs to be addressed by those working on human rights and the position of LGBT both at home and in Africa. Suggestions in the report are Confront IRD and US removal movements Expose people like Rick Warren and Scott Lively Support African's themselves to do research into sexuality - this I would think is a key issue. It must now be they themselves who show to themselves that it was the neo con's political and religious who were using them and imperialistically bringing them into cultural wars. They have to find that out for themselves now, though clearly the right people can help them make the move. Support the Christian Young in Africa. Conservatives have already got the leadership -work across denominations and across hierarchies Expose the covert financing of African conservatives by various bodies in the US. African's need to be shown that the rhetoric they have been given that rights for gays is colonial thinking is rather the work of people who wish to bring that culture oppression of LGBT's to the US. They are being used as a proxy force in a US culture war. The destructive campaigns of IRD against US mainline denominations is not widely known. US conservatives have taken advantage of the International Relationship of Christian denominations and built relationships with African congregations to oppose mainline US progressive Churches 'social witness' and to destabilise entire congregations. Examples are The Episcopal Church (TEC) The United Methodist Church USA (UMC) The Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) along with their sister churches in Uganda, Nigeria and Kenya US political conservatives and religious renewal groups have united with African to work to create Homophobia both in the US and Africa.
I want to say a little more about the effect of colonisation on countries and their views on homosexuality. I have already provided research which shows that the one thing which can be found to determine whether being gay is legal or not is their previous colonisation. Both Uganda and Iran were colonised by Britain and Britain brought with her her hash views. While British law did not recognise homosexuality, there was a law against Buggery which carried the death penalty from 1533 until 1861. African countries have been told that homosexuality, that is a valid real sexual orientation to a person of one's own sex, is a Western Aberration. African's and Iranians agree. They have no knowledge of having known about this sexual orientation....that is buggery, before the British came. The concept that someone could be attracted to someone of the same sex is accepted by them as, as the neo conservatives hand it to them, a Western aberration and a desire to destroy their societies. That will be why all these countries can think about is Sodomy. In the documentaries Stephen Fry did that was all they were talking about while producing the most crazy myths of how this would lead to their downfall. Lesbians too. He tried to explain to them that Sodomy is more often done by heterosexuals and that he himself never engaged in it. Basically the neo conservatives seem to have homed in to what the British brought to them with colonisation - which was buggery and presented that as all being gay is...plus that the West's attempts to get them to understand and to give equal rights to LGBT was actually an attempt to destroy them by encouraging people to act in dangerous ways so that their country became weak - hence the new form of Imperialism. Deviousness par excellence.
Interesting take on the situation. Food for thought for sure. Why can't libs make interesting posts like this instead of repeating the same nonsense.
