Magnitude of Trump adviser Flynn's Russia scandal gains clarity

Deflection is not needed. Your accusations are not intellectually respectable due to a total lack of evidence. Nothing more than irrational delusion.

You are getting your info from yellow journalists. The Press is dead and gone. We have students of Goebbels feeding you tasty slop, garbage in, garbage out, as they say.

 

General Mattis came out today saying that the press is NOT the enemy of the people.

 

Yes, yes, I know...it's just "fake news...."

Trump's National Security Advisor wasn't just forced to resign in disgrace. Nothing to see here. That's "fake"...but terrorist attacks in Bowling Green and Atlanta are REAL, right? Trump had the biggest electoral win since Reagan, right? Since you brought up Goebbels...

 

In the other thread I posted that I was killed in the Swedish terrorist attack and the Bowling Green attack. I forgot that I was also killed in the Atlanta terrorist attack - this has been a terrible time for me

 

You have my condolences. I wish you a speedy recovery from your untimely deaths.

 

1, Flynn was basically fired for lying to Pence.

 

Three separate FBI investigations currently on going.

They haven't released any info or findings yet.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what they find. But regardless this isn't going away anytime soon for the Trump regime,

 

I am willing to go on record and put in my opinion.

It very much depends on the situation. If it's evidence of wrong doing by our own government then I side with the hackers.

If it's information that is leaked that leads to the harm of our agents in the field then I am against it. If it's done for spite or as a means to embarrass our government alone then I am whole heartedly against it.

The leak has to be to stop or reveal violations of rights or illegal activity being carried out. I was fully in support of Snowden and still am. He simply exposed the illegal activity being carried out by the NSA.

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There are three separate FBI investigations ongoing. We will have to wait for their findings.

 

OMG, is this conversation still going on?
The Russian conspiracy..lololol

I saw big foot this weekend, and the fake moon walk, I have proof but I'm not going to share.
Talk amongst yourselves

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can I ask, how long do you plan on keeping up this whining?
2020, 2024?

 

Trump's big mouth and indiscretion is the source of the "leaks".

 

So far, no evidence has been presented that lied to Pence.

 

Yea just the national security adviser of the incoming administration transition team.

Yes

Yes.

 

And a private citizen as described in the act that you provided some time ago

 

If there was no problem with what Flynn did...

Why in the world did Flynn lie?

Why did Trump not tell Pence the truth immediately?

How can Pence trust Trump now?

 

Non issue created by the media and illegal leaks. Time to move on like Trump has.

 

Have you heard the conversations exposing Flynn as a liar? Or seen the transcripts?
It is my understanding that they have not been made public yet.

 

Lying to Pence cost Flynn his job. It is not a non-issue and has nothing to do with the media, other than it appears Trump was not going to do anything about it, had the media not brought the matter to the people's attention. The media didn't make Flynn lie. The media didn't make Trump not tell Pence the truth. The media didn't make Trump fire Flynn.

It most certainly isn't time to move on. There is lots more to unpack on this situation.

 

Why was Pence the person Flynn had to tell he didn't talk about sanctions? Was Trump not interested in talking to Flynn about it? Seems to me they are shielding Trump from having any conversations with Flynn over the matter.

I do t buy that Trump NEVER discussed this with Flynn. He's to much of a micromanager to allow that. If you see someone else lose their job over this then there is a cover-up all the way to the top.

 

Flynn admitted that he lied. He apologized to Pence.

Flynn admits to lying to Pence-
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-about-sanctions-talk-with-russian-envoy.html

Flynn apologized to Pence-
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/319304-flynn-apologizes-to-pence-report

The whole reason Flynn ended up resigning (being fired) was that he lied about talking about sanctions with the Russian ambassador, right up to the point that the DOJ/ FBI told him they had transcripts of the calls. Then he changed his tune, almost immediately. It went from, "No, I didn't" to "if I did, I don't remember" to "Yes, I did" within two days.

Lying to the FBI is a big deal- a felony. The FBI interviewed Flynn, soon after the inauguration, and before telling the President that they had transcripts. Flynn was "less than forthcoming" with the FBI.

My whole point is… if there was nothing wrong with Flynn having these conversations, why lie? If Trump would have asked Flynn to have the talks, why send Pence out to the Sunday shows and have him back Flynn, but not tell him when they had better information? Why leave Pence and his reputation waving in the wind? If it was a day or so, that might be understandable. To wait two weeks is inconceivable.

 

Note that Flynn does not admit that he "lied". Providing "incomplete information" does not necessarily involve lying.

 

Like what? Nothing illegal happened.

 

Providing "incomplete information," especially in a situation like this, most certainly is a lie. It is a lie of omission, but it is still a lie.

If there was nothing wrong with what he did, and Trump would have had him have the conversations anyway, why not say...

"Why, yes! I did talk to the Russian ambassador. We had a lovely conversation and spoke about 5 times the day Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for influencing the election. We talked about Christmas greetings and Russia not overreacting to Obama's sanctions. We talked about the possibility that sanctions might be lifted when Trump was sworn in and had the power to change it."

He didn't do that for some reason. He said other things… was "less than forthcoming" with the FBI and straight up told Pence and Spicer that he didn't talk to the Russian ambassador, at all. He denied it repeatedly, until presented with the fact that the FBI had a transcript.

Here's the critical question though..
Why didn't Trump or the White House Counsel tell Pence the truth as soon as they knew it? - another lie of omission. Why leave him in the dark for two weeks… especially after they sent him out to the Sunday shows to defend Flynn and his reputation was on the line?

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So he was fired and humiliated for nothing? Do you really believe that?

 

So far, no proof of any "lies". You cited the felony of lying to the FBI - look up mens rea. So far there is no case against Flynn.

 

Not telling Pence everything is a crime?

 

If he didn't lie, why did he apologize to Pence? Are you saying he told Pence the truth, but the whole being fired and "apology" thing being covered in the press is something else? That's certainly possible, but more nefarious than the first lie.

I did say that lying to the FBI is a felony, because it is. I don't know if they will charge Flynn with that or if that caused Flynn to become more cooperative. Somehow, a document written by Trump's lawyer, a business associate, and a Ukrainian politician, delivered to Flynn, is in the news. Makes you wonder who told the news, now, doesn't it? If Flynn is singing, he won't have to worry about lying to the FBI…. however, others may have something to worry about.