Marine demands senior leaders accept 'accountability' for Afghanistan, gets removed from position

Public criticism of the top echelon has always been seen as contemptuous and is never just allowed to happen.

This is not new.

Criticism is fine, but in the right setting.

 

The FBI is not the military and does not fall under the UCMJ

 

Oh....sorta like perpetual student and "asthmatic" Joe Biden? Fact check: Biden received multiple draft deferments from Vietnam (usatoday.com)

 

We don't send the asthmatic into battle.

Even today.

And Biden still has asthma.

How is Trump's foot doing?

 

This is exactly what leadership is all about, coping with this and still staying in the boundaries and leading people to complete their mission. Voicing this totally human emotion only makes it harder for the rank and file to do their job and can get them killed. Military discipline has to be maintained and that is what the chain of command is all about. Color inside the lines.

 

Well, he's got to put food on the table. No easier way than to grift the far right.

 

Point is, all that he said was already being said. So he added nothing but to stir dissent in the military and put his career on the chopping block. It was unnecessary...like kicking a prisoner.

 

Agreed..! The armed services are NOT a debating society! He should have remembered something that is drummed into every raw recruit......the Chain of Command....!

 

Actually it is and depends on the political leadership. Generals are political.

Lt. Col. Vindman went on national television and proactively attacked the Commander in Chief for partisan reasons. He kept his job.

Lt. Col. Scheller lost his command today for rightly demanding accountability from senior officers who allowed the Afghanistan disaster to unfold.

 

Of course you would

 

You know, gag orders, the thing the DNC is bred of

 

This is a BRAVE soldier and more than likely, his military career will be over. This isn't partisan... This is a soldier pointing out a military fubar and his brethren lost their lives for a tactical chuck up..... Good job man, having the balls to call out your senior leadership!

'I Demand Accountability': Marine Speaks Out About Afghanistan Disaster


Do you also support this soldier in his stance?

 

SNAFU my friend, SNAFU...

 

Fubar is way more appropriate for this operation.

 

Speaking out about failures of higher ranking decisions is not insubordination. Failing to execute an order is.

I had a lot of lieutenants in my career, the ones who were morons knew I thought so. I still did what they told me, but they don't get to control free thought.

 

Abandoning Bagram was certainly a mistake, both in the timing and in the way it was done.

But it was a decision made by the military.

Biden may have known about it, but he let his generals make the decisions.

Now, every military operation has its share of mistakes.

If the Afghan army hadn't collapsed in the face of the enemy, no one would be talking today about the way Bagram was abandoned by the US army.

 

The US Marine Corp didn't approve.

https://www.stripes.com/branches/ma...-viral-video-relieved-of-command-2690718.html

 

He expected it, but the action will put a strain on active duty personnel. They would have been better repremanding him, but as I stated, this administration is a different demon.

 

I think we're seeing the negative consequences of this military law, written in good intentions. Yes, we don't want some politically active army(for obvious reasons, see the female officer who bragged about who she'd shoot in martial law.) but we don't want a neutered army either.

If High Command fails, as it so clearly and obviously did so here, then the foot soldiers who take the brunt of the punishment(in lives and damages) from that failure should be able to rebuke/suggest to High Command.

I read in fact that Trump relaxed this particular law, so ironically Trump was more willing to hear criticism from the armed forces, then that of the Biden Administration.

We have a High Command that's in an "emotional time" and ignorant to both the pleas of its citizens and its soldiers. This is really a dank time for America. It's not about Afghanistan anymore as we complete the withdrawal in 72 hours, it's about the state of our military now and the state of the executive branch. It's not healthy right now.

 

can you provide a link to this? I would like to see the link to where Trump changed the UCMJ if you do not mind.

thanks

 

but as I stated, this administration is a different demon
His being relieved of command has nothing to do with this admin.

 

I hope they will get the accountability they seek.

But I'm not extremely hopeful.

 

It was a one-liner in an article from a pro-Republican site. I can't find anything as of now, perhaps the stature didn't change but the prior administration wasn't active applying it.(Lord knows they had the opportunity with General Mattis for example.)

 

This administration came out and said emphatically that they were purging the military of dissidents while Office Vidman kept his job and rank.

Breakinh down Biden's plan to purge military of conservatives

 

As one that spent 20 years in the Marine Corps I think it is a rule that should not be changed, it is there for a purpose.

Mattis was a civilian during the Trump years