MH 17 Plane crash is discussed again

I believe there is so much factual evidence presented on this forum disputing the MSM line, that anyone persisting in doing it has to have some ulterior reason. If it's not for Washington's foreign policy, then it has to be for another political entity...maybe a domestic one or even a foreign one.

The ones who follow me around do use certain propaganda methods, such as repeating something which has been proven to be false over and over again, or flipping things so that white becomes black, and black white. It seems their main purpose though is to get anyone going against their agenda off the forum. I was told to put them on ignore. I think the forum has lost some of its most brilliant posters because of them...and that's a pity.

 

This German comedy gives visual proof of the lies posted on the MSM. The ones that Americans have not been allowed to see. I know though discrediting the video so it won't be watched is a typical propaganda ruse.

Anyway I was responding to your assertion/flipping that the world can see through Russian propaganda by presenting you the proof that it's Washington's propaganda they are seeing through. Russia doesn't have to use propaganda, all it has to do is present facts.

[video=youtube;jSOfQ7tgTLg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSOfQ7tgTLg[/video]

 

I don;t disagree. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

Yep, I understand theirs and your frustrations too. My own decision is to take them on headlong and show other posters how dumb and artless and prejudiced they really are.

I've run two discussion forums (one financial and one political), and the policy of the political one is to ban trolls on day one.

 

.....Uh....yeah, sure.

 

Like you said, it was probably the rebels that shot it down by mistake.
But to be honest neither do you or I know for certain, so we can believe what ever we like to believe.

If Ukraine shot it down to blame Russia then it wouldn't be the first time a false flag is used.
What I don't understand is how could Ukraine who controls the skies let a civilian plane fly that route when they know that the rebells are capable to shoot down a plane on that altitude.

Even if someone proves that it was the rebels then I would blame all three sides.
Russia for aiding, Ukraine for letting the plane pass, and the rebels for shooting it down.

The above that I mentioned are not conspiracy theories, it's things that has been done in the past, and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't happen again.

 

I'm going to disagree with you here. It was Clinton a Democrat that started the dirty tricks. He brought in the neo cons, and started Washington's hypocritical foreign policy...such as bombing Serbia under false pretenses. Clinton used the media towards this end...especially CNN. Without this media manipulation, the Wolfowitz doctrine could not have had the support of the American people.

Clinton also changed the moral and spiritual culture of the US by having the government give grants to educational institutions that pushed certain liberal platforms which were quite extreme and have now become commonplace.

In addition to that he allowed GMO's something the Religious Right in the Republican Party would never have allowed. It just happened that Monsanto was a client of Hillary's, and the Clinton's went so far as to have one of their executives made the head of the US Food and Drug Administration.

Another thing I found out recently, is that it was under the Clinton administration that a law was either passed or removed that gave six corporations the chance to buy up all the news sources. I don't doubt that they are either owned by the same individuals, or have the same invested interests.

The US government is under siege by a bunch of sociopaths, and I'm doubtful that any president or party has the power to remove them now from power...and it was all because of Clinton. Unfortunately Pres. Bush didn't have either the power or the support to go against a foreign policy or a domestic one which had already taken hold.

Anyway this is how I see it...and of course I might be wrong.

 

Russia did release their satellite images throughout the world...Guess they have nothing to hide, but it seems Washington does. If Washington had any proof that the Donbass Freedom Fighters shot down the plane, the case would have been closed in a week...Obviously they don't.

I don't know if Washington had anything to do with this false flag, or if it was a Kiev radical like Kolomoisky, but fifty years ago the Pentagon Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Lemnitzer prepared a false flag of this type. Jack Kennedy refused it.

The classic blueprint for MH17 was not dreamt-up by Russian war planners, but by the Pentagon – over 50 years earlier. A clandestine plan known as Operation Northwoods, was similarly conjured in 1962 by the US Department of Defense’s Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) and the CIA in front of a Cold War backdrop pitting the United States against then Soviet ally Cuba, led by Fidel Castro.

The plan was signed off by then JCS Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and detailed how spooks would use prepositioned explosives to blow-up a passenger airliner over Cuba, blaming it on Cuba and by extension – Washington’s arch-nemesis the Soviet Union.

This ‘false flag’ attack would then be used as valuable leverage in a global public opinion campaign against Washington’s existential and ideological enemies. They also talked about developing a “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington”. Fortunately, the deceptive plot was eventually rejected by the Kennedy administration.​

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/07/17/mh17-one-year-on-what-really-happened-and-why/

 

if Russia has nothing to hide, why do they oppose an international tribunal against those accused of the crime?

 

considering the US history in iraq and syria and other places
i consider any statement to be very suspicious where they claim to have proof but dont show it

 

Exactly the same reason American citizens cannot be tried on the International Tribunal.

 

Watch the American lies. Victoria Nuland - they doing so peacefully...
[video=youtube_share;FJIHZ76SnNk]http://youtu.be/FJIHZ76SnNk[/video]

 

Not a problem. I regard thoughtful disagreement and the debating of it as the whole purpose of forums such as this and am happy to engage in it.

My apologies in advance if the following is a bit lengthy. Old men grow more garrulous with time and are less inclined to write as tightly as they once had to. Besides this, we're discussing a very important subject that is rarely discussed these days - which are the deep political connections politicians and presidents keep and which date back a very long time. Sad to say, but Clinton was merely one of many in a continuing line. And he - and they - were far worse than most people realize.

I well remember the Plumbers unit in the Nixon Administration and the dirty tricks they got up to including the Watergate break-in. I was working in a "connected" American investment bank at the time and followed the Nixon election closely. Nixon, of course, broke his teeth in the 1952 presidential election where he became the Republican vice president under Eisenhower - following his political fund scandal that seemed to me to mirror the political fund handled during his presidency by his chum Bebe Rebozo who used to launder money through the mafia. I'm speaking diplomatically here.

Rebozo was also connected to William Pawley, a businessman-come-spook-come-political-fixer and friend of CIA boss, Allen Dulles, as well as being an active member of the Republican Party -- and who was deeply involved in Executive Action - an assassination programme of foreign leaders. Rebozo wasn't the only close connection between Nixon and the Mafia either. For example, Murray Chotiner, a political adviser to Nixon and a mob lawyer.

But Nixon is not really that unusual in US politics. Deep political connections of major political figures run very deep indeed.

For my money Bill Clinton should be viewed under the microscope of Terry Reed's book, Compromised - Clinton, Bush & the CIA and, of course, the curious activities of drug & gun runner Barry Adler Seal in Mena, Arkansas, Clinton's backyard when he was governor of that state. I believe I'm right in saying that Tom Cruise is to make a major movie on Seal, which should be interesting, if unlikely to be wholly accurate - although I was pleasantly surprised in the recent movie "Kill the Messenger" starring Jeremy Renner.

But I also have to disagree with you on one particular figure. The Bush families history is so tarnished and corrupted that none of them come out smelling of roses. An excellent book in this respect is Pete Brewton's groundbreaking The Mafia, CIA and George Bush. And so we shouldn't forget that Poppy Bush was close to the CIA - as well as very probably being a covert officer of it - well before he was appointed to DCI of the CIA. When he founded Zapata Oil it was with former CIA officer Thomas Devine. A major investor was Prescott Bush, who earlier in his lustrous career with George Herbert Walker financed Hitler and was guilty of Trading With The Enemy during WWII. He was also connected to Nixon in that he was appointed by Tricky Dicky to be the US Ambassador to the U.N. as well as being in charge of national security matters in the Reagan Administration.

Being connected, tarnished and corrupted is a requirement of political life. Only the guilty may apply (if they have any chance of success, that is to say).

 

The transcripts I have seen were not explicit in showing flight MH17 was targeted. Since you didn't link anything, but said "google this..."

Must be hard to find.

 

Oh...

Don't go there. You are asking for a nation to give up sovereign rights.

Would you like it if such a thing could trump our constitution?

That's the same thinking that allows searches without warrant, because if you have nothing to hide...

Such policies are extensively abused.

 

The Russian Satellite Photography Data has already been proven to be false.

It was compared against Google Earth and the Russian Template was a Template Photograph that has been cross referenced against Google Earth Templates and it dates back to 2011.

The REASON that the FDS and Putin did not bother to waste a lot of time preparing this supposed EVIDENCE is that they KNEW that WE KNEW what happened.

Understand that this area of the World is covered by many, many U.S. Recon. Satellites and Aircraft and at least 2U.S. Satellites exist in GEOSYNCHRONOUS ORBIT....which means as the Earth turns these satelllites orbit the Earth at a distance and rate that allow them to ALWAYS BE DIRECTLY OVERHEAD and we use at least 2 in such orbit over this area to allow Computerized Depth Perception thus it is easy to know size.

There are also at least 11 U.S. Low Orbit Satellites that can cover this area and these are capable of seeing the date on a U.S. Penny.

As well we have IR-Light Detection.

We have Deep Ground and Sea Radar Detection.

We have MASS SPECTROMETER DETECTION.

We have UV-Light Detection.

We have Neutron Decay Detection.

We have X-Ray and Gamma Ray Detection.

The list goes on and on.

Like I said.....no one could launch a BOTTLE ROCKET without us knowing where it was launched from....what was it's flight tracking, what kind of warhead...in this case explosive gunpowder for a bottle rocket...it had...how fast was it traveling....what kind of material was it made out of....how hot did it burn....etc...etc...etc.

Putin knows the U.S. Space Command knows everything there is to know about the MH 17 Flight and on top of that although Malaysia did not pay for it so they do not get the data.....EVERY SINGLE BOEING 777 HAS A DUEL RADIO WAY MICRO-BURST SIGNAL THAT COMES FROM IT TO THE BOEING COMPANY AS PART AS A CONSTANT DIAGNOSTIC TO MAKE MORE INEXPENSIVE REPAIR AND DOWN TIME AND MAINTAINENCE OF 777'S!!

All the data that prove's a catostrophic loss of cabin pressure caused by a BUK SAM exploding outside the 777 is data recorded and Boeing has this data.

Ever wonder why Putin does not even talk about MH 17??

BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I have posted these links and the transcripts several times on two other Topics about the Mh17 downing by a Seperatist BUK SAM.

They didn't shoot MH 17 down on purpose....they just were not experienced enough to be allowed to be running a BUK SAM Launcher.

A BUK is not like an ADVANCED AMERICAN BUILT PATRIOT II MISSILE as the Patriot II is computerized and will actually TALK TO YOU and tell you.....SHOT THIS DOWN!! DO NOT SHOOT THAT DOWN!!

Well...not is those works or in that way but the U.S. SAM is capable of knowing EXACTLY what the target is and the BUK needs someone of great experience to read the radar return and know what kind of an aircraft it is.

But the Seperatists ARE MORONS in that even though they had little training they should have known a LARGE RADAR RETURN as a 777 is a HUGE aircraft...traveling at 33,000 feet and at 550 mph could not have been an Su-25 which had been hammering Seperatist Ground Positions all day.

Spetsnaz should have NEVER ALLOWED such poorly trained men to run the BUK.

AboveAlpha

 

Blimey, Ronstar, the answer is glaringly obvious.

The Russians know that the western/NATO deck is stacked against them and that by hook or crook a western led tribunal would be prejudiced. All you have to do to understand this is to rip off those all too comfortable blinkers you enjoy wearing and see the vast amount of western propaganda that har arisen over the Ukraine coup and MH-17.

 

Okay, good. I like facts more than opinion. Who disproved it? Please supply the support and links for this so I can check it out.

We also have a well oiled and wide reaching and highly deceitful propaganda machine.

We also have politicians who lie for a living.

We also have a Oligarchical ruling system in place of democracy - but still call it a democracy to hoodwink the people.

We also have a military that wastes vast sums of money on useless weapons and support systems to benefit the US weapons corporations - in a back-scratching symbiotic relationship that has lasted since WWII.

The list goes on and on.

 

so Malaysia is part of the anti-Russian conspiracy??



http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/ca...nations-to-bring-mh17-to-un-security-council/

 

Google News themselves disproved it using Google Earth's Satellite Photography Template from 2011.

My setup is Security specific and I cannot go back more than 2 pages in a search due to such security concerns so as this is old news already a person would find this on a search on page 3 to 5.

I do not and will not deny that much needs to be done to streamline U.S. Defense Spending as to not allow Contractors with the aid of Politician's to abuse it.

But as much as we might have to work on our problems they are.....NOTHING in comparison to how Putin and his 110 Buddies are stealing more than 35% of all Russian Wealth.

This is what I worry about.......Sooner or later the Russian People are going to see Putin for what he is and when that happens Putin is going to do everything he can to remain in power....and he has killed many people to keep himself in power as it stands as in case you didn't know that Russian who was a WHISTLE BLOWER who went to London and was Poisoned by Putin with Polonium......KNEW about how Putin used members of Spetsnaz to rig LARGE RUSSIAN MULTIPLE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEXES....with EXPLOSIVE CHARGES.

Putin had the FSB BLOW UP RUSSIAN APARTMENT BUILDINGS to justify the Russian incursion into Chechnya.

The Litvinenko Case
By Carey Sublette

Last changed 14 December 2006


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Introduction
In 2001 Lieutenant Colonel Aleksandr Litvinenko of the Russian FSB (Federal Security Service), the descendent of the Soviet-era KGB secret police and intelligence organization, left Russia and obtained asylum in Britain. Litvinenko had a sensational tale to tell.

Boris Yeltin's Russia was a nation in despair. After Yeltsin abruptly dissolved the Russian-dominated empire that was the Soviet Union in December 1991, a disaster itself in the eyes of many Russians, Russia had suffered calamity after calamity. Successive economic collapses, unrelieved by any interim recovery; repeated diplomatic humiliations emphasizing its increasing irrelevancy on the international scene; a bloody little war within its own borders in Chechnya from 1994 to 1996, a war in which an agrarian republic with a population of only one million had bested the mighty Russian military.

With his health deteriorating and his popularity in polls in the low single digits, in August 1999 Yeltsin made a surprise appointment to the office of Prime Minister, the little known Vladimir Putin, current head of the FSB and a former KGB Lieutenant Colonel.

Soon after Putin's appointment, a series of dramatic terror bombings outraged the nation. Four huge bombs destroyed entire buildings of apartments, the first on 4 September 1999 in the southern city of Buinaksk, two more followed in Moscow, and the last in Volgodonsk on 16 September. The string of bombings killed 246 people (other sources say "more than 300").

The Yeltsin government declared that Chechen separatists were responsible, and even though separatist leader Shamil Basayev denied involvement, on 30 September a ground and air offensive was launched against Chechnya beginning the Second Chechen War. The operation immediately catapulted Putin to national prominence, with huge popularity ratings. On 31 December 1999, just as the siege of the Chechen capital of Grozny was getting under way, Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned and Putin became President.

In early February 2000 Russian forces captured the capital of Grozny, and in May Putin established direct rule of Chechnya. Although the war continued, it greatly enhanced Putin's popularity and strengthened his control.

Questions about the official account of the bombings surfaced soon after they occurred. A fifth bomb that failed to explode was discovered in the basement of an apartment building in the city of Ryazan on 22 September 1999. Examination of the bomb contradicted claims being made by the government, and police and journalistic investigation suggested a direct connection to the FSB. Additional support for this contention was uncovered by Moscow attorney and former FSB officer Mikhail Trepashkin, who was investigating the Moscow bombings. Prior to presenting his findings in court, Trepashkin was arrested under questionable circumstances on 22 October 2003.

Lt. Col. Litvinenko defected from Russia in November 2000 claiming to have inside information on an FSB plot for conducting the apartment bombings to provide a pretext for renewed war. Litvinenko's account was published in his book Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within published in 2002. On 25 June 2002, a Moscow court convicted Litvinenko in absentia for abuse of office and stealing explosives. Litvinenko went on to allege FSB officer involvement in drug dealing with warlords in Afghanistan. In December 2003 Russian authorities seized thousands of copies of Litvinenko's book [AP, 12 Jan. 2004]. In 2004 Litvinenko alleged to the New York Times that a secret KGB laboratory specializing in poison was still operational in the FSB.


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The Poisonings
The bizarre series of events leading to Aleksandr Litvinenko's agonizing death by radioisotope poisoning began on 7 October 2006, when Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, a leading critic of the Russian government and in particular the war in Chechnya, was shot dead in Moscow. Litvinenko, then living in London, launched his own investigation and claimed that she was assassinated because of her work.

On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko had two meetings at public eating establishments in London with foreign contacts interested in discussing his investigations. He met first with Russian businessman Andrei Lugovoy at the Pine Bar of the Mayfair Millennium Hotel near Grosvenor Square at 4 pm. Unexpectedly a second Russian, Dmitry Kovtun, accompanied Lugovoy. Later he met with Italian academic Mario Scaramella at the Itsu Sushi restaurant in Piccadilly. Scaramella had been investigating FSB-related espionage, and had reportedly received documents about the Politkovskaya's death. He gave as the reason for the meeting wanting to discuss e-mail death threats aimed at both of them. Later that evening, after returning to his Muswell Hill home on north London, Litvinenko became ill complaining of gastrointestinal distress. He was admitted to is admitted to Barnet General Hospital.

Litvinenko's condition deteriorated over the next three weeks. On 11 November Litvinenko described himself as being in "very bad shape" after a "serious poisoning" on the BBC Russian Service. Litvinenko was transferred to University College Hospital, in central London, on 17 November as his condition continued to worsen. With suspicions of a criminal attack growing he was placed under armed police guard. On 19 November it was reported that poisoning by thallium (a highly toxic chemical once used to poison rats) was to blame.

As Litvinenko's condition became increasingly grave he was transferred to intensive care at University College Hospital on 20 November. Photos were released showing how he had suffered dramatic weight and hair loss (see image below). Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism unit took over the investigation into what made him ill as uncertainty about toxicological test results continued. Early measurements of Litvinenko for radioactivity, suggested by his hair loss, made with a Geiger-Muller counter were negative.

Over the next three days doubt about the diagnosis of thallium poisoning increased and Litvinenko's condition was described as being "critically ill". He suffered a heart attck on the night of Wednesday, November 22. The next day, Thursday evening, he died. Scotland Yard issued a statement saying that they were now investigating "an unexplained death".



Finally, after Aleksandr Litvinenko's demise, the cause of his illness was finally identified. He had been poisoned by the radioisotope polonium-210. Polonium-210 is an unusual radioactive material in that it is an almost pure alpha-emitter, producing negligible quantities of gamma rays which accompany most other types of radiaoactive decay. Unlike gamma and beta particles, alpha particles are strongly charged and travel very short ranges through matter. This makes polonium-210 completely harmless unless ingested, and impossible to detect with routine radiation monitoring equipment.

The diagnosis of polonium was a remarkable discovery. It was not only the first case of fatal polonium poisoning in history, it was also the first case of someone dying from the acute effects of alpha radiation from any source. Polonium-210 has a short half-life, 138.38 days. This means that the material used to poison Litvinenko had to have been produced in the relatively recent past - it could not, for example, have been obtained from an old disused radioisotope source. Such sources using other radioisotopes, like cesium-137 and cobalt-60, have long been a concern for their potential use in terrorism and other criminal actions, and have been the cause of serious accidental exposures in the past, most notably in the Goiânia, Brazil disaster in September 1987 that significantly exposed 244 people and killed 2. Although mathematically it would be possible to have a toxic amount still left from an initial enormous quantity after as long as a few years, it does not make a plausible theory of the case that Litvinenko's attackers acquired their material so long ago.

Internal radioisotope contamination typically has a delay of several days or weeks before the victim becomes ill since it is not the presence of the radioisotope itself that causes injury (unlike chemical poisons) but the damage due to the radiation it emits. It takes time for the radiation dose to reach a level at which injury becomes evident. That Litvinenko became ill within mere hours of being poisoned indcates that he had ingested a massive dose, many times the minimal lethal amount.

The discovery that polonium poisoning was responsible for Litvinenko's death triggered a wide-ranging search for polonium contamination, starting with sites that he had visited around the day he first became ill and people who had met with him. Positive tests led to checks of many other people present at those sites, and sites that people who had met Litvinenko had visited. Soon the investigations found polonium traces at several locations in England, on aircraft, and sites in Germany and Russia. In all the sites where contamination was detectable it was present at such low levels that there were no health concerns.

Retracing Litvinenko's movements the police have found contamination at sites he visited after his 1 November afternoon meeting with Andrei Lugovoy at the Pine Bar, but not before, pinpointing it as the likely time of the poisoning.

Dmitry Kovtun who was present at Lugovoy's meeting with Litvinenko was reported to have become seriously ill from polonium poisoning on 7 December. Lugovoy himself was reported ill two days later, but apparently was not as seriously ill as Kovtun. These delayed illnesses are consistent with ingestion of much smaller amounts of polonium, perhaps a sub-lethal dose. Mario Scaramella was found to have polonium in his system, but at levels that cause no immediate health concern.

Traces of polonium have turned up at several locations in Germany, where Kovtun arrived on 28 October on a flight from Moscow. Contamination turned up in two cars in which he rode while in Germany, as well as his ex-wife's apartment in Hamburg where he stayed before travelling to London.

LINK....http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Litvinenko.html

AboveAlpha.....continued....

 

Now this is the manner in which PUTIN HANDLES RIVALS!!!!

But the ONLY RIVAL that Putin cannot handle is THE UNITED STATES.

The REASON why Russia is in a DEPRESSION right now is because Putin annexed the Crimea.

The REASON why Russia's Economy will never recover is because THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA HOLD ALL THE CARDS!!!

And some day....SOON....the Russian people are going to get sick of living in poverty and get sick of Putin and when they do....THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THROW PUTIN OUT OF OFFICE!!!

What I WORRY ABOUT is just how FAR is Putin willing to go to remain in power?

How many RUSSIAN PEOPLE is Putin willing to kill or sacrifice SO THAT HE CAN STAY IN OFFICE???

How far is Putin willing to go Militarily to DISTRACT THE MINDS OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE THEFT OF RUSSIAN WEALTH BY PUTIN AND 110 BUDDIES OF PUTIN???

As it is now Putin is CONSTANTLY talking about THE COMPLETE STUPIDITY OF A RUSSIAN/AMERICAN MILITARY CONFLICT!!!

Putin talks about this all the time to rally the older Russian People who remember the day's when the Soviet Union was a SUPERPOWER....and when a Soviet Leader had something to say the WORLD LISTENED!!

Well those day's are LONG GONE....but Russia has an oppertunity to BE A PART OF SOMETHING BETTER!!!

AboveAlpha.....CONTINUED....

 

13 Years ago Putin was supposed to Join Russia into a Russian/American-Canadian PARTNERSHIP which would have if implemented 13 years ago....have used a few thousand American and Canadian Advisors and U.S. and Canadian High Technology in SUPER COLD WEATHER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IN SIBERIA.

Putin at the last moment withdrew from this Partnership saying...."Russia can develop Siberia on her own."

Putin also said that..."RUSSIA WILL NEVER ALLOW CHINA UNFETTERED ACCESS TO EASTERN OR WESTERN SIBERIAN ENERGY RESOURCES!!"

Now....as Putin finds himself CORNERED....and as Putin finds himself in a Russia that is pumping out LESS OIL FROM WEATERN SIBERIA THAN RUSSIA WAS PUMPING OUT 13 YEARS AGO.....and as well Putin has been taught a lesson in ECONOMICS that being that the UNITED STATES does not need to fire a single bullet to dramatically adversely effect the Russian Economy.

Basically Putin BROKE A DEAL with the United States and because of the sensitivity of this DEAL Putin broke the United States and Canada...as the two Nations are basically ONE IN THE SAME as both have an INTEGRATED MILITARY WITH EACH OTHER....thus the Former Soviet Union, China and now Russia when they put out their YEARLY MILITARY THREAT ASSESSMENT PAPERWORK......the United States and Canada are called NOTH AMERICAN THREAT....as Russia and China and all other Militaries that put out a yearly threat assessment KNOW....that Militarily and Economically the United States and Canada are ONE IN THE SAME.

AboveAlpha.....continued....

 

Because Putin was afraid that the Ukraine could use the massive amounts of American Companies Discovered Natural Gas Reserves being over 6000 TIMES that the amount that Russian Test Drillers told the Ukraine existed in the Crimea as Putin told the Russian State owned Natural Gas and Oil Test Drilling Teams to LIE....as they told the Ukrainian Government that initial test drilling showed so little Natural Gas and Oil in the Crimea that it was not worth it for the Government of the Ukraine to waste further expense by continuing Test Drilling.

AboveAlpha....continued....

 

the West knows that the russian rebels mistakenly shot down MH 17.

all the evidence is there.

the Russian response? silly conspiracy theories about wanting to kill Putin.

 

The Ukrainian's KNEW something was WRONG so they asked American Energy Giant Exxon-Mobile to do Test Drilling and within a few weeks Exxon-Mobile told the Ukrainian Government that the amount of Oil and Natural Gas was at the very least 6000 TIMES GREATER THAN ESTIMATED BY THE RUSSIAN'S AND PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 15,000 TIMES GREATER!!!

Putin KNEW that the Ukrainian's with their already existing massive and complex Natural Gas Pipeline which is now used to supply Russian Natural Gas to Europe.....well PUTIN KNEW with American Corporate High Technology and Experience that within a few months Exxon-Mobile would have enough Drilling Done and at such a much lower COST compared to Russian Drilling Expenses......THAT THE UKRAINE COULD UNDERBID RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS PRICING TO EUROPE BY RUSSIA AND REPLACE RUSSIA USING THEIR OWN UKRAINAIN NATURAL GAS PIPELINE...AS THE PIPELINE IS OWNED BY THE UKRAINE NOT RUSSIA.....UNDERBID RUSSIA AND REPLACE RUSSIA AS EUROPE'S #1 SUPPLIER OF NATURAL GAS TO EUROPE!!!


AboveAlpha......continued....