Military Spending Is Already Bankrupting America

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  1. Mircea

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    No other State has a de facto international reserve currency and de facto international currency of trade.

    If the Swedish Kroner was the de facto international reserve currency and de facto international currency of trade, then they would be doing the same thing the US is doing now.

    You couldn't handle the decline in your Standard of Living if you gave up your projection of power.

    We would have to deal with your many posts bemoaning your lower Standard of Living, but the good news is we'd only have to put up with it for a short time -- until you couldn't afford Internet services any longer.
     
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    I would be fine if I had to live like a Canadian or Australian....etc. in fact it would be better
     
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    Canada lives in the shadow of the protection offered by the U.S. Most Canadians live with 100 miles of the U.S. border.

    Australia likewise lives in the shadow of U.S. protection (including like Canada the American nuclear umbrella). Australians have actually referred to their role as "America's deputy" in that region. Needless to say you can't have a "deputy" if you don't first have a "sheriff".
     
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    Time for them to come out of the shadows. The constitution does not call for protecting other countries. All this spending is unconstitutional
     
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    Most of modern American government actions are strictly speaking unconstitutional.
     
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    But we are not talking about them. The constitution says we should defend anerica....not Exxon
     
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    Calvin Coolidge IIRC "America's business is business". And the American heroes that you wax on about near constantly are obligated to defend those businesses as though they were the Virginia coastline.

    I salute their sacrifice.

    Now of course you will whine "disgusting".
     
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    That is disgusting
     
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    Right on cue...
     
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    Sending American heroes to die for corporate profits is disgusting. Try asking anyone.
     
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    The soldiers in my family (and that means almost every male) don't think so. And I've no reason to believe they are unique.
     
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    Get someone.....anyone.....on here to agree it us ok to send soldiers to die for corporate profits. Not a chance
     
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    If you spin it that way "corporate profits" you probably won't. But if you point out that "soldiers die" so that tens of millions of American citizens can work to support their families (which is also true and you know it) then the answer would probably be the complete opposite.
     
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    It's no spin. You were quite clear that bvb you are ok with them dying for corporate profits. You should be ashamed
     
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    You are way too sentimental about people who serve in the military.

    They get paid to do what they do. Paid much, much better than soldiers in any other country on Earth in fact.
     
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    Well you never served because mommy and daddy wouldn't let you so you have no idea how well they earn that money. Lol
     
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    The only moral purpose of the military is to defend the principles of liberty. One of those principles is the right to make profits. Another is the right to own property. Another is the right own a business. Another is the right to create art. Another is the right to marry whomever you chose who will have you. And there are many more such instances of the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It certainly is not to promote and defend the public welfare, the common good, the social welfare, the tribal needs, the national interest, or a chicken in every pot of every third-rate dirt poor raggedly country's natives.

    Ayn Rand: "The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his."

    So yes, if you are a soldier defending liberty and fighting against an enemy seeking to impose tyranny, then you are defending man's right to make a profit, as well as many other economic and social interactions.
     
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    And your response to someone who disagrees with you is to mock their parents.

    Far more disgusting than anything I've ever believed or said.
     
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    I dont mock your parents. You are a man. You should be able to make your own decisions
     
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    So you agree with sending soldiers to die simply for corporate profits.

    Let Walmart get their own soldiers
     
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    Reading comprehension a problem? The defenders of liberty defend a man's right to liberty, and that includes the right to make profit, as well as to make love, make art, make barbecue, make beds, make music, make movies, make his life whatever he wants it to be.

    Your fundamental problem is you're a collectivist who seeks to enslave the businessman in the name of the common good--and you want to be the bureaucrat in charge.

    Ayn Rand: "A businessman cannot force you to work for him or to accept the wages he offers; you are free to seek employment elsewhere and to accept a better offer, if you can find it. (Remember, in this context, that jobs do not exist “in nature,” that they do not grow on trees, that someone has to create the job you need, and that that someone, the businessman, will go out of business if he pays you more than the market permits him to pay you.) A bureaucrat can force you to work for him, when he achieves the totalitarian power he seeks; he can force you to accept any payment he offers—or none, as witness the forced labor camps in the countries of full statism.

    The businessman’s tool is values; the bureaucrat’s tool is fear.

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    “America’s Persecuted Minority: Big Business,”
    Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 48

    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/businessmen_vs_bureaucrats.html
     
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    Then you go. You put your life on the line to ensure the price of gas does not go up 5 cents. Make sure your son is covering your six. It is cowardly to insist others die so you can get a cheaper flat screen. That is not fighting tyranny.....it is fighting for wall street
     
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    Ah, but fighting for Wall Street is fighting for money, and fighting for money is fighting for values, and the values every free and honest moral man needs to fight for are: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." And as a free man, I love money; it makes life, liberty, and happiness possible.
     
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    Then get out there and fight for these values. Be a man and put on a uniform , pick up a weapon and stand a post. Fight for this American dream....and not the cowardly way ayn rand did with a pen...but get out there on the front lines and put your life and body where your mouth is.

    The marines are looking for a few good men....go be one
     
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    Ah, I'll leave the fighting for the young professionals. As to Ayn Rand--you're so sad.
     
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