Missiles Launched From Iran Hit ISIS Terrorist Bases in Syria

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    they were wandering tribes warring with each other and without any central government. They were nothing of note. On the other hand Jews and Christians had already made their mark, just as history demonstrates.

    The Islamists succeeded through violence then and are doing it again today.
     
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    Right chief. :rolleyes:
     
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    The Arabs Bedouins were along the lines you mentioned. But before the Arabs, the most remarkable story was the recurring power of various Iranian empires - the Achaemenids, the Parthians and the Sassanids - who ruled much of the region for centuries and millennia. Indeed, Jewish identity is itself largely a product of Iranian imperial policy and new Judaism was hugely influenced by Persian imperial strictures.

    As for Christianity, it hadn't made much of a mark and there is little to suggest that Rome became any better after the conversion to Christianity. Indeed, while Rome might have had the upperhand against the Parthians (despite their disastrous defeat at Carhae), the Eastern Roman empire/Byzantine empire after Christianity was often the weaker side in the battles against Iran.
     
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    Then we can let the Iranians and their friends have the major part of the Middle East and the Jews their small sliver of land. That should make every reasonable person happy. The Christians can then continue with their dominance in the first world.

    Is that not a reasonable compromise?
     
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    The rosenbergs were spying for stalin and the soviets

    As for selling US technology to china I dont know if that happened but bill clinton helped china improve the performance of their ICBMs when he was president

    And I know Israel cares more about America than the clintons do
     
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    Interesting take. So because Richard Reid, the Shoe Bomber, was a Brit we should no longer be friends with Britain?

    I'd enjoy hearing your theory of what caused the occupation of the Iranian Embassy in London. Israel, right?
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

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    If it was up to you and I to divide the region, I could live with it. But its not.

    As for the Jews, and their small sliver of land, it will also depend whether they want to play the role they played during the Achaemenid period or during the Roman/Parthian era (where they often sided with the Parthians, while the Romans ruled those lands) or another role, where they persist as a western colonial outpost?
     
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    No religion, Jewish, or Christian for the main. While many converted to take advantage of the changed environment, it took the sword to convert, kill, or subject the population first before there were enough Muslims to take over the cities/regions. They didn't convert via missionaries.
     
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    Who is it up to?
    The trouble with many countries, but especially in the Middle East, is that they have too much history (as your post demonstrates) , cannot live peacefully and comfortably in the present and thus have a dubious and uncertain future.

    There has to be a complete revamping of educational systems, ideologies and attitudes and, right now, I don't think the present generation is quite up to it.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Really, they sound terrible. Can't even imagine what you must say about iran.

    Or in your brain, they get to attack the US and murder its people for the next 1,000 years because of some action the US took 75 years ago.
     
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    Barely more than 50% of iran is persian, so remind us who is more legitimate? And what does Israel have to do with the cancerous iran and its relentless, state-sponsored terrorism across the mideast?
     
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    So what was your excuse for the iranian terrorists when Israel had labor/leftist governments until 1996? Derrrrrrrrrrrrr.... Are you paid to carry their water?
     
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    Yet we don't see them blowing up 241 US marines in their barracks or 85 US diplomats in their embassy like we do iran.
     
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    So if Iran and Russia are taking the fight to ISIS. What the hell are we still doing there?
     
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    Clearly, neither one of the two of us. The region will be divided along the lines which will be formed from the confluence of agendas of various powers and the socio-political demands and aspirations of the people living in these places.
     
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    :) Good question.
     
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    This poster is still here spewing the regime propaganda? Jeez....
     
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    If Russia had stayed out of the ME where they left many years ago I'd say try to stay out of it although there are many other reasons besides Russia for being in the middle of it.

    Restoring a Syria that can accept its refugees from Europe would be a great accomplishment. All we have to do is defeat ISIS, Assad, and the Russians. Short and easy list, huh?!

    We have no business trying to set up a government although the above must be very judicious as it actually calls for that. It needs to be acceptable to the peoples of Syria if it were to be accomplished. No king making here.

    Getting ISIS out of Syria does make it more difficult for them to operate. If you're running for your life you're spending resources doing that rather than planning on killing innocents.

    I think Assad has to go because he's a Russian puppet. Keeping Russia out of the ME is a priority. We don't want them destabilizing further a region already chaotic.

    Finally, we have the Iranians. Have no idea how to get them out of everyone's business. They have goals that are not in our best interests or much of the ME.
     
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    How is that any different from Evangelicals (Pence) that want to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque for the same reasons?
     
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    These people can't control their own destinies along any 'socio-political' lines. Their only aspiration is to survive, along with their families. They'll live under whoever comes out on top in these struggles, but their lives don't belong to them.
     
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    Right. Mike Pence has a mission to destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. It's good to hear from the Ayatollahs to get their perspectives.
     
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    Why would I care what Obama said? I've repeatedly said that US Foreign policy does not change in any significant way with whoever is in control of your government. Unlike you, I don't base my reasonings along party lines
     
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    The Israeli government sold US military hardware to the Chinese so you would have a point if the British Government was the shoe bomber
     
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    Does not matter what religion they were. The point is that the ancestors of Muslims lived on that land alongside Jews and Christians.
     
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    Pense does not want to destroy the Dome of the Rock
     

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