MIT Professor Disputes Evidence of Sarin Attack

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  1. Ethereal

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    Professor Emeritus of Science, Technology, and National Security Policy Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Theodore Postol, assesses the evidence (or lack thereof) implicating Assad's forces in the recent chemical attack and concludes there is "no evidence" to indicate who was responsible for said attack. All we have at this point is the say so of government officials.
     
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    This professor is merely stating the obvious, just in a thorough and logical way. But one does not need to be an expert in order to conclude that there is scant evidence supporting the "Assad did it" narrative. At this point, we have nothing more than the say so of the government. The willingness of some people to blindly accept whatever the government tells them is mind blowing in its naivete and gullibility.
     
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    Our gov't has never lied to us..they are completely trustworthy except in two small areas....words and deeds.
     
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    This is what it must feel like to live in 1984.
     
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    That is the same conclusion made by Scott Ritter, former Intelligence officer and weapons inspector
    Wag The Dog — How Al Qaeda Played Donald Trump And The American Media
     
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    Because the US has never faked reports in order to start a war, amirite?
     
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    They say our gov't have never and will never, ever lie to the American people. If anyone tells you that our gov't lies to us, they are working for the Kremlin, and are Russian agents. Sure it looks like they have lied to us in the past, but remember, they never lie and will never lie, and that is all you need to know. Those intel heads who lied to congress under oath? Never happened. This is a lie created by Putin. In short, you can always trust your gov't, and if anyone shows you where they lied, do not believe it. It is Russian propaganda, and you love Russia and not America if you even listen to these people.

    In fact, if anyone ever accuses our gov't of lying, you should turn them in to the authorities so we can imprison them for being Russian agents. For that is what they are. It is impossible for out gov't ever to lie to the American people. Others lie, not our politicians and especially not our intel. So accept all that they tell you. And be a good, patriotic German, uh, I mean American.
     
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    More evidence that the state is a religious cult. They will believe anything their high priests tell them no matter how much they lie, distort, or exaggerate.
     
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    That won't be the neo con's. They believe it is necessary to tell you 'Nobel Lies' as you will not be able to understand the bigger picture about what is best for the US.
     
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    The US has an history of conducting "false flag" operations to achieve its imperial goals.

    Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh (who uncovered the Iraq prison torture scandal and the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam) says that high-level American sources tell him that the Turkish government carried out the chemical weapons attacks blamed on the Syrian government.


    Indeed, it’s long been known that sarin was coming through Turkey.


    Turkey is a member of NATO. So we’re really talking about a NATO member launching a false flag attack against a non-NATO member, and then blaming it on the victim.

    Indeed, a new tape recording of top Turkish officials planning a false flag attack to be blamed on Syria as a causus belli was just leaked a couple of weeks ago, and confirmed by Turkey as being authentic.

    [emphasis mine]

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/nato-member-conducts-false-flag-terror-try-whip-war.html
     
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    This professor is a stupid one, being good at research does not necessarily means that he is correct in every aspects.
     
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    But there is the history of Assad's use of chemical weapons and his absurd assertion that the videos of the dead babies were staged using baby actors.

    Also this
    What is this report that has been released to the public ??
     
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    That he did it the first time is disputed.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ayed-donald-trump_us_58ea226fe4b058f0a02fca4d

    Just one example of masses. Many people believe it was not proven that Assad did this.
    yes, that indeed sounds crazy.
     
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    Sarin is a gas without color and smell. One milligram kills a man. At several weeks the area remains contaminated after the use of sarin. White helmets would have died if it was sarin. Squeals about sarin is a fairy tale for fools because fools are not able to look information and to analyze independently..
     
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    There is no doubt that Assad is responsible for the deaths of ~ 500,000 civilians in Syria. Obama drew a red line and did not act or lead against Syria. Trump has acted and is leading in the ME. If Assad is not responsible then why did he put forth the absurd staging story and why did Russia veto the UN Security Council resolution to thoroughly investigate the chemical attack with full cooperation of Syria ??
     
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    Because this investigation does not contain mandatory requirements the arrival of experts at the site of a chemical attack. Usa and his whores plan to investigate remotely.
     
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    Let me know when you address his actual argument.
     
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    No there isn't. From Postol's report:

    President Obama was initially misinformed about supposed intelligence evidence that Syria was the perpetrator of the August 21, 2013 nerve agent attack in Damascus. This is a matter of public record. President Obama stated that his initially false understanding was that the intelligence clearly showed that Syria was the source of the nerve agent attack. This false information was corrected when the then Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, interrupted the President while he was in an intelligence briefing. According to President Obama, Mr. Clapper told the President that the intelligence that Syria was the perpetrator of the attack was “not a slamdunk.”

    The idea that Assad's forces were responsible for the last chemical attack isn't supported by any concrete evidence, just like this incident. It's all speculation and dubious inferences.

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Postol cites the report in an appendix. Perhaps you should try READING it before commenting on it.
     
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    Then it's a good thing that Postol never made such a claim.
     
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    And yet Russia negotiated the removal of all of Syria's chemical weapons which Obama and Rice took credit for. If there was no guilt then why the compliance with Russia's intervention.

    Pay attention to the news and what Assad has said about the staging of the dead babies.

    There has been no detailed investigation with Syria's full cooperation. Russia vetoed that in the UN Security Council. Postal's assessment is his opinion.
     
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    Optics.

    This thread is about Theodore Postol's assessment of a White House report, not Assad's claims in the media.

    The report that Postol cited in his own report. Try READING it.
     
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    Optics ?? So Russia and Syria then fully admitted and cooperated but now refuse to admit and cooperate - how does that work ??

    The thread is ultimately about who gassed the babies in Syria.

    Postal's assessment is his opinion - nothing more and nothing less. There has not been a thorough investigation with Syria's full cooperation including flight logs, records, etc... Russia vetoed that - why ??
     
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    Neither Russia nor Syria admitted to anything. They simply agreed to dispose of Syria's chemical weapons cache as a means of appeasing western politicians and avoiding further confrontation.

    You do not get to decide what MY THREAD is about.

    It's an opinion based on evidence and logic. Feel free to address it at any time.

    The US government attacked Syria almost immediately after the incident, so there was no time for an investigation, let alone a thorough one.

    As for Russia's veto:

     
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    Yes... a government with alternative realities, and a previous claim of a country having WMD's proven to be fabricated and false.
     
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    Not just Russia, but also China.
    And what investigation are you talking about? The west hasn't been there to do any investigation.
     

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