Moderna says an omicron variant vaccine could be ready in early 2022

You throw out an idiotic comment again this time suggesting people get Covid because they are democrats, living in states that voted democrat. What a stupid and irresponsible attempt to exploit a virus for your pro Trump beliefs. Just pathetic.

On a per capita basis, North Dakota, Alaska and Tennessee have reported the most cases while Mississippi and Alabama are leading the country in deaths as of Nov. 30.
source: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

In fact whether people have Covid 19 depends on whether they report it not whether they are Democrat or Republican.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map

It also depends on the temperature outside and whether people have gone inside and this is why the most of the states with the lowest per capita rates are along the southern edge of the country, where it’s still warm not because they are anti vaxxers.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...-2#block-7560b4e1-bf82-4661-a1f2-4efa99fc9604

But go on just once finish a sweeping political generalization and back up what you say. Provide the methodology you used to determine being democrat made someone get the virus. Yah you assume because someone lives in New York or Illinois its not the weather or the condensation of people living in compact quarters or the fact they have the largest airports that has anything to do with it. Its because they didn't vote for Trump.

 

Because data collected can never be wrong it is your god and therefore infallible.

The data is gathered from hospitals in anybody that comes in is deemed covid patient because the hospital gets money from the federal government when they do that I know people that work in hospitals they've told me this happens more often than an actual covid patient coming in so you can squawk about your lack of knowledge regarding how the data is collected but it won't amount to anything.

I already know better.

 

How

Nonsense.

Go on explain the basis for how you concluded us SARS-CoV-2 is the "interation: of a rhinovirus. You won't. You can't.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cold-idUSKCN26D0XT

 

So does this mean that the recommended booster shot is off the table?

 

SARS evolved and became less infectious but more deadly.

 

Excuse me I spelled iteration wrong when I quoted it back.

 

It underscores the failure of democrat policy.

It's not a stupid comment it's an apt observation.

You didn't debate the assessment of the comment you just screeched about Trump so that means you know it's an apt observation but just want to reject reality.

 

Over how long a period of time did it evolve?

 

It's a commentary towards bullshit mandates and authoritarian policy. Right now...it doesn't appear to be doing blue states much good now, does it? Almost like regardless, this virus is going to burn it's way through the populace.

Now you can be upset about that under your 3 layers of masks hiding under your bed with Lysol. But that's the reality of the situation.

You can either face the virus with a vaccine or without the vaccine. But you WILL get the damn virus.

 

No, it's not borderline a new virus at this point.

Previous variants had some 10 to 15 mutations in the spike protein, and 3 to 4 or 5 in the Receptor Binding Domain of the spike protein. Omicron has 32 in the spike protein, of which 10 are in the Receptor Binding Domain.

Sure, it's significantly more, which is why we're concerned about this variant, but this is not sufficient to call this a new virus. It's still a variant of the SARS-CoV-2. It's not a new species. This coronavirus has 28 other proteins in addition to the spike protein, and thousands of mutation sites.

 

This doesn't work on cognitive bases of "knowing." Viruses have no brains and are not sentient. What happens, is the survival of the fittest. This coronavirus has had more than 500,000 mutations already (only the ones that confer to a strain a concerning ability to infect more, or evade antibodies better, or kill more, are called variants of concern). If a virus has mutated characteristics that help with its diffusion and survival, it will prevail over other strains that have characteristics that are more negative to their survival. It's just plain old evolution at work. It's just that evolution for viruses is much faster than for more complex organisms like animals.

Generally, viruses tend to evolve in the sense of becoming more infectious but less lethal because if a variant kills its host too easily and too fast, that variant will have fewer opportunities to spread, because it will die together with the dying host. This however doesn't happen every time. As of now, the SARS-CoV-2 has evolved in ways that did not bring down its lethality. Maybe Omicron will be such strain that is less lethal but we don't know this yet.

There were preliminary reports of milder cases, but then, the first hot spot for Micron was a college campus full of healthy young adults. Also, severe cases and deaths usually lag behind the spikes in new cases, by a couple of weeks at least, if not 4 or 5, so, we'll see.

 

I find it quite incredible that this day and age, someone still thinks of Covid-19 as the common cold. Mind you, not even the flu, but the common cold, which kills minimally, while Covid-19 has killed so far more than 800,000 Americans, and counting (unfortunately it's not over yet). I mean, do you realize that this is more than ANY other infectious disease outbreak we EVER had in this country, since the beginnings of this country? So the #1 most lethal infectious disease outbreak we ever had, is akin to the common cold???Do you realize that this is more than ALL the major wars we got involved in, put together? That in certain days at the peak, we had practically one September 11th per day of new casualties? And that's your common cold??? Unbelievable!!!

 

Oh, I'm re-reading your original post, and you have some strange notions, Thedimon. The body doesn't remove antibodies within a few months... they just fade with time but we do keep memory cells that can jump into production of new antibodies when we encounter the same antigen. Technically you are right that some T cells actually suppress antibodies to avoid an over-reaction of the immune system but this is not a primary reason for the antibodies against the Coronavirus' spike protein to fade with time.

Second, no, mRNA vaccines do NOT tend to cause thrombosis. You're mixing up the mRNA vaccines (such as the Moderna and the Pfizer) with the adenovirus-vector vaccines (such as the J&J, the AstraZeneca, and the Sputnik V) which do rarely cause thrombosis in some rare patients. By the way, the SARS-CoV-2 is much more prone to causing thrombosis than the vaccines, so if it's thrombosis you fear, you're better off even with an adenovirus vector vaccine than with the live virus. No, the mRNA vaccines do not thicken the blood. Where did you did get this notion?

Myocarditis from the vaccines: possible but extremely rare, mild, and transient for the most part. And no, it doesn't tend to happen to the vulnerable. Much the opposite. It tends to happen to the young and healthy who have a more competent immune system, as it is an over-reaction of the immune system.

Sure, there is a need for balance. You can't send your immune system on overdrive all the time or you'll end up with auto-immune diseases, or deposition of immune complexes in the kidneys, harming kidney function, etc. But we face millions, billions, trillions of antigens every day. It's not by making antibodies to ONE antigen, the spike protein of this novel coronavirus, and boosting it once or twice a year that you're spelling the gloom and doom of humankind, devoured by a monster antibody assault.

Don't worry so much. You're getting very distorted notions. I wonder if you're getting them from some anti-vaxxer site. These vaccines are safe and effective. Yes, a few people run into trouble with them, but literally millions more run into trouble with the virus. No medication or vaccine is 100% safe, but the safety concerns that relate to the Covid-19 vaccines are pretty statistically minor. It's no consolation to the unlucky ones who do get the bad reactions, but everything in life has some risk. The possibility that you'll get some fulminating myocarditis or stroke from these mRNA vaccine (especially the mRNA ones, which are safer than the adenovirus vector ones) is much smaller than the possibility that you'll have a fatal car accident in your commute to work.

 

The medical industrial complex in which you operate has become an immoral criminal organization.

 

It's enough of a difference that pfizer and moderna arr scrsmbling to come up with a new vaccine.

 

So speaks the unwashed, totally ignorant masses.

 

But there isn't any garantee that the next mutation will be beneficial to the virus or to us.

For every good mutation you have x number of bad one which can still be viable enough to be a threat for a while. There's no real predictability in mutations, if there was we wouldn't be playing catch up.

 

Guess it just went right over your head. Swing and a miss.

 

Re: death rate: death rates are falling.
Pluses: Trump went around the Gvt agencies and got vax makers on board, we got a better than nothing vaccine quick.
Minuses: Election year politics inhibited the scientific method.

Omnicon:
Omnicon appears to be an attenuated virus.
My opinion reprinted from an earlier post.
What is problematic about Africa is the high rate of aids. As you know, it is a immune compromising disease.
Simply put: This lets the virus du jure, Corona virus, mutate within these patients. A healthy body’s immune system fights each and every mutation to the death until one has all the markers necessary to get a head start and make the body ill and be transmissible.
A immuno-compromised patient is like a human virus lab, letting the mutations run rampant in a weak immune system. Thus, we have an ample supply escaping these people that will be “tested” in the healthy population.

 

As the article says, "it's not clear whether new formulations will be needed." So we MIGHT be back to square one, but we might NOT be. What I can't understand is why there was no talk of developing a Delta vaccine when it was first discovered. Maybe there was and I missed it.

 

The longer they go on the more obvious the conspiracy becomes.

 

Fade away, die, deactivate - the remnants are removed. Our bodies don’t tolerate junk floating around the bloodstream.

Antibodies disappear, but the memory must remain. Somehow mRNA vaccines do not induce memory in the immune system, as protection seem to wane with fading of the original antibodies. Previous infection does induce the memory, though.

The impact of these vaccines on heart is very common. I know many people who had covid and who were vaccinated. All but 1 who had covid recovered fairly quickly, with the exception person suffering from long covid. At the same time, of those who had anti-covid vaccines I know of at least 5 who said their heart behaved so weird that they freaked out and went to the emergency room. I know a few more who said their occasional chronic issues, like migraines, became a lot worse and more frequent even many months after receiving their shots.
I just can’t not make an observation that at least leads to some suspicion.

I didn’t say mRNA thickens blood, I said antibodies do. The more you have them at one single point in time, the thicker your blood is.

Then why mandate the vaccine to young and healthy? Their risk with covid is already very low, by taking the vaccine they add a whole new unnecessary risk.

And no one has done studies about long term effects of boosting up your antibodies via mRNA vaccines.

I’m not saying doom and gloom, but you must admit that no one knows the effects of these vaccines in the long term. The risk of ADE did not go away, and our first encounter with an antigen dictates our response to it for our lifetime. We do not know how vaccinated will react to further mutations and if vaccines end up proving to be lethal with some future strains of this virus, or strains of closely related common coronaviruses. People who took the vaccine are de facto participating in a drug trial with long term consequences being unknown.

No. I just read news and some research papers on subjects that interest me.

You do not know about long term safety.

What if you already had the virus and successfully recovered? If I already know that covid is no threat to me, why should I take additional risk by taking the vaccine, no matter how small? Am I supposed to risk my life over something that I already know won’t kill me?

As I described above, I’m literally making observations in my own “circle of family and friends” - I personally know more people who got hurt by the vaccine than I know people who suffered long term consequences from covid. I also personally know 1 person who got covid after they were fully vaccinated.
Let’s draw some comparisons - how many people do you know who ended up in the ER for taking a vaccine other than against covid? I know none! How many people do you know who were vaccinated against something and then caught the disease (excluding flu)? I know none. So, how come I see breakthrough infections and strong side effects with my own eyes if they are so uncommon? Something isn’t right about these mRNA and viral vector vaccines. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows? Time will tell.

My main concerns about these vaccines are ADE and auto-immune diseases.

 

Im not getting this one either. Not until its had years of testing. And not at all if mandated.

 

Which doesn't mean it's a new virus. It's a strain of the same virus. mRNA vaccines can be tweaked to specific sites of the spike protein, so if they mutate sufficiently, a tweaked vaccine can be made. Sorry, but the SARS-CoV-2 remains the SARS-CoV-2. A variant is not a new species.

 

Sure, but what's your point? Viruses mutate. We know that. There are no guarantees that they will go one way or the other. We also know that. And?
There's been 500,000 mutations and 10 named variants. It's rather, for every bad mutation, there are thousands of inconsequential ones.