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  1. Mr_Truth

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    Are you delusional. I might ask if it takes a lot of effort to simply believe what the media writes than it does to base your opinions on reality and experience in the medical field. Since I have worked in this field and dealt with health insurance for over 35 years, I would tend to base my opinions and statement on those 35 years of experience and observation rather than listening to reporters and those not practicing medicine or working in the field. I definitely don't care one thing about your criticism or posts.

    And, I suggest you define what you believe are my "lies" and explain with fact why they are lies.I doubt you can because you have no knowledge of the subject. And that is reality. And that is fact.

    Good try, typical of a sheeple of the left.
     
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    President Obama Rips FOX News and Republicans for Their Silence on Obamacare’s Success




    President Barack Obama tore into FOXNews and Republicans for no longer screaming that the sky is falling because of Obamacare now that the president’s signature healthcare law has proven to be a huge success in giving millions of Americans access to affordable healthcare.

    “There’s a reason fewer Republicans, you hear them running around about Obamacare,” Pres. Obama said during a speech on the economy at Northwestern University on Thursday. “Because while good, affordable health care might seem like a fanged threat to the freedom of the American people on Fox News — it turns out it’s working pretty well in the real world.”

    President Obama also called out Republicans for dogmatically supporting massive tax cuts for the wealthy, but having practically no evidence to back up their ludicrous economic policy positions.

    “If there were any credible argument that says when those at the top do well and eventually everybody else will do well, it would have borne itself out by now,” the president said. “We’d see data that that was true. It’s not. American economic greatness has never trickled down from the top. It grows from a rising, thriving middle class and opportunity for working people. That’s what makes us different.”




    http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watc...cans-for-their-silence-on-obamacares-success/




    ACA continues to work for society's good! :clapping: :flagus: :clapping:
     
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    Well, I have been buying my own health insurance policies with my own money for the past 30 years so I have a lot of experience in the individual health insurance field and Obamacare has been a huge benefit to me and everyone like me who buys their own health insurance just by having the exchanges so people like me who are shopping for individual health insurance can actually compare plans without having to put up with a bunch of high pressure sales jerks parading through their living room.

    I live in Massachusetts. We have had Obamacare for 6 years. By my rough estimate buying health insurance on the exchange over the last 6 years has saved me about $30,000 in premiums compared to the plans I was offered before the exchange opened. I get way better coverage for half the price. btw, my health insurance is not subsidized and the exchange I buy it on is a free market, any insurer willing to meet the coverage criteria is free to participate, set any price, and offer whatever provider network they want.

    Many businesses and business groups have adopted or are working to adopt this model for their employees, abandoning the established model of serial top secret negotiation sessions with insurance reps that really just wasted a lot of management time.

    You worked in the health insurance industry for 35 years so you should be intimately aware that the idea of an open and public market for health insurance was something the industry resisted and fought against tooth and nail over your entire career. Without government intervention it would never have happened but now that it did the industry is scrambling to claim it, and the for profits to get out of the health insurance business as fast as they can.

    I am for free markets and US health care is not anywhere near to being a free market. Health insurance exchanges are just a tiny first step to dragging health care into the glaring light of open free market competition and away from the murky cesspool of secret personal negotiation, arbitrary pricing and preying on the unwitting.
     
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    Republican anti-Obamacare hysteria proven to be completely wrong:




    "It will bankrupt our nation, and it will ruin our economy! ... This health care law ... is already destroying jobs in our country."


    - John Boehner, January 2011
    "We now know that Obamacare has been one of the single biggest drags on job creation since early 2010."
    - Mitch McConnell, March 2012

    "Obamacare is a job killing disaster."
    - Rand Paul, August 2014

    "We thought there would be ... job loss, and that has, in fact, occurred."
    - Mitch McConnell, August 2014

    In fact, Senator McConnell, just the opposite has occurred:


    Chart: After losing 3.6 million jobs in the decade before Obamacare, the private-sector has gained 10.2 million jobs since Obamacare became law.
    Most of the attention surrounding today's jobs report will focus on the news that 248,000 jobs were created in September. But the more important aspect of today's report is its confirmation of a four-and-a-half year trend that has seen American jobs coming back from the devastation of the Great Recession.
    To use Sen. McConnell's words, what we "now know" is that American businesses have added more than 10 million jobs since Obamacare was enacted in "early 2010." This represents a dramatic turnaround from the 3.6 million private-sector jobs lost in the previous decade as a result of the economic policies of the Republican Party (a party that Senator McConnell describes, without a hint of irony, as "the party of the private sector").

    Today's news comes on the heals of a report out of Kentucky by the Lexington Herald-Leader using state-level data to debunk Sen. McConnell's claims about Obamacare killing jobs:

    Economists Reject Republicans' Claims that Health Law is Decimating Kentucky Jobs
    Politically, the frequently repeated claim might be effective.... Factually, the claim doesn't appear to be accurate. Kentucky had 26,271 more people working last month than it did in March 2010 when President Barack Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The state's unemployment rate in that same period fell from 10.5 percent to 7.1 percent.

    Manoj Shanker, an economist at the Kentucky Office of Employment and Training, said the health care law "is expected to be a net gain for the economy."

    "It is definitely expected to create jobs, and not just for doctors and nurses," Shanker said.

    Against that background, consider the following statement by Sen. McConnell:
    "The November 2014 election is very likely to be a referendum on Obamacare."
    - Mitch McConnell
    In the final month of the 2014 campaign, Democrats should embrace -- not run from -- Senator McConnell's framing of the election. For years, Republicans in Congress have been telling the American people that Obamacare will kill jobs, hurt Medicare, and blow up the deficit. They were wrong on all three counts, and now is the time to set the record straight.
    Count 1:

    "Obamacare is the most destructive, failed law in modern times. It's the biggest job killer in this country."
    - Ted Cruz, July 2014:
    "Obamacare is a disaster for jobs"
    - John Boehner, September 2014

    One more time, no:
    Chart: After losing nearly 800,000 jobs per month during the depths of the Great Recession, the private sector has created jobs every month under Obamacare, including an average over 200,000 jobs in the past year.
    But, but ...
    "We now have a record number of part-time employees largely because of Obamacare."
    - Mitch McConnell, December 2013
    "ObamaCare is part of the reason the number of 'involuntary part-time workers' has increased 66%."
    - RNC Chair Reince Priebus, August 2014

    "Millions of Americans ... have been forced into part-time employment.”
    - Ted Cruz, August 2014

    Again, the facts beg to disagree.
    Since Obamacare was enacted, the number of involuntary part-time workers has actually fallen from 9.2 million to 7.1 million.

    But, but ...

    Recovery from the recession of 2008 has been the slowest since World War II, McConnell said.
    -July 2014
    This favorite Republican talking point attempts to pull a fast one by leaving out three critical facts: (1) the Great Recession of 2007-2009 was the only post-World War II recession in the United States resulting from a financial crisis, (2) "financial crises are typically followed by deep recessions, and these recessions are followed by slow, disappointing recoveries" (more here, here, here, here, and here) and (3) the current recovery has actually been stronger than recoveries from other financial crises:
    While this is the longest post WWII recovery the U.S. has experienced — by a good margin — it is important to keep in mind that financial crises are different. When comparing the Great Recession against other advanced economies’ financial crises in recent decades, the current U.S. cycle has outperformed in terms of employment
    And as Bill McBride at Calculated Risk has pointed out:
    [T]his recovery was during a period of declining participation - partially due to demographics - and that makes this milestone [matching the pre-recession employment peak faster than after other financial crises] even better.
    Count 2:
    "The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we’re going to stop it."
    - Paul Ryan, August 2012
    Actually, Congressman Ryan, Obamacare has strengthened Medicare by helping to extend the life of the trust fund by 13 years:
    Good News For Boomers: Medicare’s Hospital Trust Fund Appears Flush Until 2030
    Medicare’s Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, which finances about half the health program for seniors and the disabled, won’t run out of money until 2030, the program’s trustees said Monday. That’s four years later than projected last year and 13 years later than projected the year before the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

    Chart: Life of Medicare trust fund extended 13 years since 2009.
    Count 3:
    Obamacare will "blow a hole through the deficit."
    - Paul Ryan, June 2012
    Again, Congressman Ryan, not exactly:
    Chart: Deficit drops from 9.8% of GDP before Obamacare to 2.9% of GDP in 2014







    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-Private-Sector-Since-Obamacare-Passed-CHARTS




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    U.S. Health care WAS a free market before the Federal Government allowed Health Insurance companies free reign by giving them exemption from the Sherman Act and others laws like it for decades. And, it was a free market before the Federal and State Governments allowed them to create PPOS, HMOS and managed care plans that basically forced doctors and hospitals to accept sub-standard fees and forcing them to re-coop losses by charging those with private health insurance more, reducing patient services, and raising prices across the board(although it really doesn't matter what a provider charges as there charges are basically set by the Federal Government(medicare), State Governments(Medicaid) and private insurers(managed care, HMO's and PPO's.)

    I know many individuals, including may two sons and many of my friends who own their own businesses and don't have enough employees to qualify for group health insurance; that HAD affordable coverage and now are paying higher premiums and deductibles partially caused by having to carry Maternity on their policies when they don't and will never need it.

    Lucky you. You are one of the few across the country that saw their premiums and deductibles either remain the same or decrease. Unlucky providers that have seen their incomes steadily decrease over the last 13 years while their operating costs continually have risen.

    There are two sides to this issue. But, IMO it has hurt many to help a few and left many more uninsured that use to have insurance or expected to be able to purchase health insurance, not Medicaid, at an affordable price.

    And, don't forget, the Small Business Insurance mandate will set in at the end of the month. Things will become much worse for many more small businesses, their employees once this happens.

    The negative effect of Obama Care could have been reduced had HHS not mandated unfair and often unnecessary "minimal essential benefits", something not defined PRIOR to passage of the PPACA in 2010 because they didn't want to tell voters that all of their premiums would probably increase when they were forced to pay for benefits they neither need or want.
     
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    Why would Republicans or for that matter a member of any Party applaud Obama for increasing Corporate Profits while going back on his commitment to lower health insurance premiums, insuring the uninsured and reducing the cost of providing health care?

    However, one good thing regarding corporate profits rising is that it has meant a reduction in the unemployment rate. If you don't believe Corporations have been a huge factor in the creation of jobs then you should be on the side of us small businesses who struggle day to day to pay our bills, keep our employees and give them the best benefits we are able to.

    Seems however you don't back any businesses and blame them and Republicans for all that is wrong with the economy.
     
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    More Obamacare TRUTH:

    One family’s Obamacare nightmare

    One-size-fits-all health care could mean bankruptcy and death

     
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    US health care was never a free market, or ever met the criteria for being a market at all because those needing care never know how much they have to pay until they get the bill.. Health care in the US has never been subject to market forces of because prices are considered trade secrets, making their discovery is impossible. Since price discovery is a defining characteristic of a market, US health care is not a market. It may be a cartel, or some sort of secret organized extortion conspiracy, but it is not a market and never has been.

    Obamacare was just the first step in moving the health care industry to a free market model. Consider this, the health insurance exchanges are the single most revolutionary change in health care in the last 60 years. They have forced the entire business into the glare of the free market and the pressures that come with free market competition. The exchange model has levelled the playing field for all market participants by setting a minimum standard of coverage and inviting any insurer willing to meet those criteria to participate. You may not know this but insurers had fought against exchanges in the private market for decades but now that the government has established public exchanges they are no longer able to deny them to the private market and many employers have begun deploying their own exchanges of joining others in group exchanges, setting coverage criteria and inviting all insurers to participate. Economists have calculated that this could reduce private sector health care expenditures by $1Trillion a year by 2020 while eliminating further cost shifting to employees.

    Even more lucky for me Massachusetts has already taken the next step in health care reform by bringing the providers into the glaring light of the free market. Due to laws passed a few years ago to make the next step in health care reform insurers have just gone on line with listings of all the prices that they pay for standard and routine procedures by all providers at all locations in their network. On the radio on the way home today they were talking about it and they looked up the price for a chest MRI in the Boston area. Prices ranged from about $1,000 to over $4,000.

    The people on the radio were flabbergasted, they had no idea, not only that an MRI cost so much but that the cost was so much different depending on where you went for it. If everyone could look up the price before they went health care could be a lot cheaper for everyone everywhere, but for now it is just in Massachusetts.

    If you have health insurance with a high deductible or co-pay just having that information will make a bigger difference in your life than your monthly premium.

    The small business mandate has been delayed. But I can tell you that it has not made that big of an impact here, where it came into force a few years ago.

    There is no doubt that Obamacare has losers and winners but the winners far outnumber the losers already and that will just increase as time goes on. The biggest losers are in states that chose not to participate and that has had big effects on the private health insurance market in those states, especially for small businesses as insurers have the opportunity to screw them because the states are looking the other way.

    Some level of minimal essential benefits were an absolute necessity for the health care exchanges to function. If republicans had not been so fanatically against the whole idea, took the stance of repeal or nothing and refused to negotiate or pass any changes to the law they could have had some influence on that but by their intransigence they left the implementation of Obamacare entirely to the executive branch, which had its own agenda.
     
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    Re-read what I have been posting all along. Millions more are insured and cost increases are less than they had been before ACA was enacted.

    As for small businesses, apply the anti-trust laws and keep wealthy elites from sheltering their profits in overseas tax shelters. This is something President Obama has tried to do but his agenda has been obstructed by the Republicans. I have posted links to proofs of this innumerable times.
     
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    Latest review - SUCCESS:




    http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinio...cle_117b89ea-2e2b-514a-8bbb-75699e9412db.html



    Polls, surveys and statistics from independent research organizations, including the Commonwealth Fund, Gallup, the Rand Corp., the Kaiser Foundation and the Urban Institute, show that the federal health care plan is meeting many of its goals. Among them:

    • More people have health insurance.

    • People with health insurance are better off, with less financial distress and fitter mental health.

    • Many people paid less for insurance this year than last year.

    • Marketplace premiums are barely rising, and employer-sponsored premiums rose about 3 percent this year, similar to past years.

    • Overall health care costs are rising at historically low rates.

    • The federal deficit is down because money spent on health care has been offset either by new revenue or new spending cuts.

    • The law exposed the nearly $3.5 billion in incentives that drug and medical device companies paid doctors and hospitals for part of last year. An initiative called Open Payments spotlights potential ethical conflicts. Consumer groups say such incentives can influence prescribing decisions, the use of high-tech tests and types of surgeries performed.





    Once again the right wing lies have been fully refuted.
     
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    States Expanding Medicaid Under the Affordable Care Act Expect 18% Enrollment Growth in Fiscal Year 2015, With Federal Funds Picking Up Most of the Cost



    http://kff.org/medicaid/press-relea...th-federal-funds-picking-up-most-of-the-cost/


    Without the Expansion and Resulting Infusion of Federal Funds, Non-Expansion States Expect Much Smaller Enrollment Increases and Spending Growth

    50-State Survey Finds ACA and Delivery System Reforms are Primary Focus for State Medicaid Programs in FY 2014 and FY 2015

    MENLO PARK, Calif. – States expect the number of people enrolled in Medicaid will increase an average of 13.2 percent across the country in state fiscal year 2015 (which runs through June in most states), showing the early effects of the first full year of Affordable Care Act implementation, according to the 14th annual 50-State Medicaid budget survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation’s Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured (KCMU).

    The 28 states (including the District of Columbia) implementing the Medicaid expansion for FY 2015 expect to see the largest enrollment and spending growth — an 18 percent increase in enrollment and an 18.3 percent increase in total Medicaid spending in FY 2015, on average. The spending growth is mostly driven by the boost in new enrollment that is financed by 100 percent federal funds. With the additional federal dollars, state spending in expansion states is projected to increase at a slower rate of 4.4 percent in FY 2015.

    Without the coverage expansion and federal funding, the 23 states not implementing the ACA Medicaid expansion project an average 5.2 percent enrollment growth for fiscal year 2015, and project state spending to increase at a similar rate as their total Medicaid spending (6.8% and 6.5%, respectively).

    10.08.14_-_Medicaid_-_Event_and_Reports_-_Expansion_states_expect_to_see_higher_enrollment_growth_-_resized_for_the_email

    Based on the survey of state Medicaid directors, the Medicaid enrollment and spending report also provides estimates for Medicaid enrollment and spending growth in fiscal year 2014.

    A second report drawn from the 50-state survey, jointly released with the National Association of Medicaid Directors (NAMD), examines major policy actions implemented or planned for state Medicaid programs. It shows that the implementation of the ACA and delivery system reforms are the main focus for state Medicaid directors in fiscal years 2014 and 2015.

    “Whether a state elected to expand or not, Medicaid programs across the nation are being transformed with new enrollment procedures and outreach efforts combined with increased emphasis on delivery systems reforms,” said Diane Rowland, Executive Vice President of the Foundation and Executive Director of the KCMU.

    All states are implementing a host of ACA-related changes that require states to streamline Medicaid enrollment and renewal processes, transition to a uniform income eligibility standard and coordinate with new ACA insurance Marketplaces. State Medicaid officials reported continued growth in managed care initiatives and other delivery system reforms, including the implementation or expansion of Medicaid health homes, patient-centered medical homes, and initiatives to integrate care and financing for the dual eligible beneficiaries. The majority of states also reported expanding services in a home or community-based setting for persons needing long term care. With improvements in the economy, more states were implementing provider rate and benefit enhancements.

    10.08.14_-_Medicaid_-_Event_and_Reports_-_Focus_on_delivery_system_reforms_in_Medicaid_-_resized_for_email

    Findings, reports released at a public briefing today

    The 50-state survey of state Medicaid directors was conducted by KCMU and Health Management Associates (HMA), with the cooperation of NAMD. These and other findings from the survey were discussed today at a public briefing held jointly by Kaiser and the NAMD. The following new reports based on the survey are available:

    Implementing the ACA: Medicaid Spending & Enrollment Growth for FYs 2014-2015, which provides an analysis of national trends in state Medicaid enrollment and spending;
    Medicaid in an Era of Health & Delivery System Reform: Results from a 50-State Medicaid Budget Survey for State Fiscal Years 2014 and 2015, jointly released with NAMD, which provides a detailed look at the various policy and program changes in Medicaid programs in all 50 states; and
    Putting Medicaid in the Larger Budget Context: An In-Depth Look at Four States in FY 2014 and 2015, which uses four case studies to examine Medicaid programs in Michigan, Utah, Virginia and West Virginia.






    ACA - continued success! :clapping:
     
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    we can assume you'll be sending your whole paycheck to Obie, right? Fed funds means more taxes. Are you so willing to give everything you own just to get a bottle of pills? I don't think you would do that with a drug dealer, but you are willing to do it with the communist government, eh?
     
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    When people die from lack of health care, as so many of you on the far right delight in seeing, they can no longer pay taxes and the social productivity declines. HCR saves lives ad allows people to go back to work so that national productivity and tax revenue production goes upwards.
     
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    Republican liars told us ACA would create death panels. But instead of having them, ACA has been proven to save lives:



    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/16/3577076/americans-gaining-medicaid-expansion/



    Meet The People Whose Lives Have Been Transformed By Medicaid Expansion





    ''Marc Sigoloff hopes he gets a chance to thank President Obama in person one day. “I really do believe that he saved my life with what he did,” he says.
    Fifty eight-year-old Sigoloff, a freelance writer who lives in Illinois, was surprised when he got a notice in the mail last year telling him he was eligible for public insurance coverage. When first he signed up for food stamps, he was told that he didn’t qualify. But after Illinois lawmakers accepted the health care law’s optional Medicaid expansion, Sigoloff was one of the estimated 468,000 low-income residents who gained access to coverage this year.
    One of the first things he did was go to the doctor.


    A large study in Oregon that tracked the effects of people gaining access to insurance found that getting that coverage made them feel healthier, happier, and more financially secure.



    Medicaid expansion is a step in the right direction, especially since extending health insurance to additional people can help ensure they’re productive members of society.
    “I think that a healthier country will definitely make us so much more profitable. When you feel good, and when you don’t have to worry about whether or not you’re going to get care, it’s a lot easier to do things,”





    ACA works - and that's the patriotic TRUTH :flagus:
     
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    another lie...............what about the 200,000 getting ready to lose their health insurance?
    I think anyone demanding I pay for their insurance is a bigot and a racist and a traitor to this country. Don't you agree?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/colorado-health-care-cancellation-111991.html
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/the_hidden_failure_of_obamas_health_care_overhaul-233506-1.html
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-d...bc-continues-blackout-failing-health-care-law
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/15/obama-18000-broken-promise/
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/massachusetts-romneycare-health-care-exchange-106362.html
    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/07/long-term_care.asp
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380074/obamacare-still-failing-michael-tanner
     
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    People about to lose their health care?

    That's what the right wing liars said last year. Instead, there are MORE people covered today thanks to ACA.



    And just where are those laughable "death panels" that you predicted???





    :roflol:
     
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    that's a lie. More people were covered with their own money than now................How is people loising their insurance better for you?
    With the current trend in economics, there are less people working today than 6 years ago. How is that better? The projected deficit for AVA is in the trillions. Is you health insurance worth driving the economy into the ditch?

    mooching is not better than working, just ask the guy who pays for your [sic] dead-beat and lazy ways
     
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    Actually, there are more people working in private sector employment than ever before in the entire history of the US. If public sector employment had not declined so precipitously over the last 6 years total employment levels would be far higher.

    Is your complaint about the loss of employment about the public sector laying off so many people because that is where most of the job losses have been, more than enough to offset increased employment in the private sector since 2010?

    If 8 million people gain health insurance that they could not get before but 200,000 lose theirs unless they pay more how does that translate into an overall loss for the people of the US or some failure in the US economy?
     
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    You mean like corporations getting deductions on their 1120 forms, of course = read, corporate welfare
     
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    a fruitful basket indeed. If everything were only so rosey.
    First, the half of the total employable workforce is out of work, one way or another. Don't look at the unemployment rate, that's a red herring. Rather go look at the numbers on the government dole. Then add to that the number of people who make their living from the taxpayer (elected officials, etc.) you get a nice balance of 2/3 get their living from the government and 1/3 pays for it all. It isn't enough to run the government, so there other ways that the government generates money, duties on imports and exports, fees, fines and penalties. If that isn't enough, they borrow it and the taxpayer pays again. When the economy takes a turn, less people are available to support the taxes needed and more people slide to the user side of the line and there's fewer people that are economically sound. You can only tax them so much. Then you start to penalize them, leaving less spendable cash for them and more for everybody else.
    Obamacare is just another unfunded mandate from Washington. It places undue burden on those who are being forced to pay for someone else's medical on top of those programs that are already being powered by the producers in society. It will develop into a one size fits all, run by a government that is so deep in debt, so corrupt, and so far removed from the real world, that it couldn't find its ass with a search warrant in its hip pocket in a room full of mirrors at high noon.
    And you guys want these idiots running this show? It isn't about Dems and Repubs, because they are both responsible. It's about the evolution of government and that power, ACA is a prime example, of corruption. They aren't concerned about if it works, they only care about establishing more over-reach into the lives of citizens.
    So armed with all this apparentness, how is this going to get paid for?
    Do the numbers really matter at this point?
    How far will the 1/3 of Americans that produce going to carry this?
    What happens when the balance becomes 3/4 that don't and 1/4 that do?
     
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    More Latinos covered under ACA:


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-Healthcare-Coverage-Improves-Under-ObamaCare



    The Patient Protection Act and the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) seems to be working. Admittedly, this is not a universal view. But as of September 18, 2014, 7.3 million are now enrolled. This is quite an achievement considering the computer glitches encountered by consumers along the way. Individuals of Hispanic American or Latino origin, one group of Americans at high risk of having no health insurance, are making remarkable gains under ObamaCare. This group historically was more likely to lack health insurance than any other ethnic or racial group.

    A recent Commonwealth Fund survey shows that at the end of the first open-enrollment period of ObamaCare, the uninsured rate for working-age Latinos dropped from 36 percent in the period July–September 2013, to 23 percent in April–June 2014. Meanwhile, the uninsured rate for low-income Latinos dropped from 46 percent to 28 percent. Low income was defined as below $32,500 for a family of four.

    Latinos in states that had expanded eligibility for Medicaid and had begun enrolling people by April 2014 have seen large gains in coverage, with the uninsured rate falling from 35 percent to 17 percent. In states that had not expanded Medicaid, the Latino uninsured rate remained statistically unchanged, at 33 percent. Twenty million Latinos live in non-expansion states, the majority in Texas and Florida.

    Beginning in 2013, as part of ObamaCare’s broader effort to ensure health insurance coverage for all U.S. residents, the federal government began to pay to expand Medicaid eligibility in every state. From 2014 to 2017, the federal government will pay for 100 percent of the difference between a state’s current Medicaid eligibility level and ObamaCare’s minimum. Federal contributions to the expansion will drop to 95 percent in 2017 and remain at 90 percent after 2020.

    The Supreme Court in June 2012 ruled that the federal government could not withhold all federal Medicaid funding for states that chose not to expand their programs. The decision effectively allowed state officials to opt out of the expansion, and 23 states have done so, while 28 states including D.C. have decided to expand Medicaid. However, Indiana, Tennessee, Utah, and Wyoming are expected to join the expansion list. Presently, this results in a “coverage gap” affecting 4.5 million Americans too poor to receive help to purchase private insurance on an exchange, but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid.

    The GOP vigorously opposes ObamaCare. Thus it is no coincidence that except for Montana, Virginia, and Missouri, the states opting out of Medicaid expansion have Republican governors. I guess this is their way of opposing ObamaCare, but do so at the expense of their state’s uninsured.

    ObamaCare repeal is fading as a GOP campaign issue. Even if the GOP take the Senate and keep the House, President Obama can veto any attempts to repeal or weaken ObamaCare. Hopefully, the states opting out of expansion of Medicaid will see the inevitability of ObamaCare and decide to apply for expansion of Medicaid.





    More lives saved under ACA - and that's the patriotic TRUTH.
     
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    a perfect example of my previous post..... all I needed was for any entitlements thief to come forward.
    so when is it patriotic to steal from your neighbor?
    how is this going to be paid for?
     
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    It will be that way in a few generations but it is not that way now. Half the employable workforce is out of work if you include all the children, all the kids in college, and all the retired and disabled, otherwise it is closer to 20%. If 2/3rds of the people need help from the government to gain a living then that can be nothing but an immense failure of capitalism and the free markets whose promise has always been a better life for everyone eventually. The capitalist free market economy is faltering in its promises when more and more of the population cannot make ends meet in the economy.

    Obamacare is actually a funded mandate, one of the few. I am not so sure that you understand the concept of insurance. The basic concept of insurance is that if a large number of people pay into insurance, the insurer is able to pay for some large expense that may befall any of the insured in the future.
    The reality of health insurance before Obamacare was that the model had failed in every measure of what insurance is.
    Obamacare turned health insurance into a real market.

    The 1/3rd that is busily gathering up all the nations wealth and making everyone else poor in the process should be glad to pay whatever the nations asks from them because all the alternatives are far worse. The other thing they could do is not be so greedy and realize that if they deployed their money just a little differently and waited just a little bit longer to gain their profit more people would make enough to pay taxes so the entire burden does not fall on them. If they cannot see that then they deserve whatever they get.
     
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