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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    new world order math..
    1/3=1%
    thus the total error of your post
     
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    More Obamacare Truth

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/jeff...e-shunts-my-patients-into-medicaid-1413846762
     
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    Unfortunately, those far left liberal/socialists base their views on Obamacare by "Party" affiliation and not on facts or current feedback by those forced into Medicaid programs or forced out of the individual/family policy they had, could afford and with benefits they needed. The PPACA affects every individual regardless of party affiliation and therefore it is not wise to base your views on Obamacare by what your Party says. It is not a political issue but a Constitutional rights issue. Obamacare is not being implemented with all Citizens in mind, but rather it is being implemented to 1. cut the costs the Government pays for Medicare patients healthcare, 2, redirect a large portion on health care costs to the States through Medicaid and 3. force those that can afford individual/family and group health insurance to pay higher premiums by forcing them to pay for coverage they or their family will never need to use. Such as Maternity and Newborn benefits, two of the most costly benefits you can carry on your insurance policy. Why would they do this? To reduce the overall cost of this coverage for those that actually need it.

    Will the PPACA do what it promised to? Reduce overall premium cost of health insurance? No. Reduce the number of those that seek Emergency room care? NO. Make health insurance affordable for all? NO. ( there is a "health insurance donut hole, as those that earn too little to qualify for subsidies also may not qualify for their States Medicaid plan and those that earn too much for a subsidy still may not have the disposable monthly income to afford the monthly premium and do not qualify for a subsidy, many of them will be forced to go uninsured; when they had previously been insured prior to the passage of PPACA.

    Do you disagree with these facts?
     
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    More Obamacare Truth

    http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/22/real-story-much-obamacare-increased-coverage/
     
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    Obama care has hurt more people than it has helped and will make health care worse in the long run.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/178094/s...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

    A majority of Americans still oppose Obamacare, take you choice of any of the six polls listed:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

    But what the people want or don't want is not important, whether the law is hurting more people than it is helping is unimportant. But a political agenda has triumphed over the will of the people.
     
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    One person stands up for obiecare and they are applauded as a hero. 1000 people stand up against obiecare and they are ignored. the epitome of tyranny
     
  8. Mr_Truth

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    Republican accidentally admits Obamacare works:



    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...uth-about-Obamacare-flip-flops-with-the-crazy





    Republican Gov. John Kasich got a lot of attention on Monday for acknowledging reality when he said that Obamacare repeal is "not gonna happen." Then he went even deeper, saying that the "political or ideological" opposition to Obamacare—and, in particular, Medicaid expansion—doesn't "hold water against real flesh and blood, and real improvements in people's lives." Two thoughts spring to mind reading that. Either John Kasich has given up any presidential aspirations or Kasich is seeing a shift in his party away from Obamacare insanity.
    As it turns out, it's neither of those things, because Kasich immediately "clarified" his position.

    "I don't back Obamacare. I never have. I want it to be repealed," he told The Washington Post in a telephone interview. "If the House and the Senate [are Republican-controlled] and we have a Republican president, Obamacare will be repealed flat out. Flat out. And it will be replaced."
    So much for "real improvements in people's lives." But that's not the best part. He goes full McConnell in his backtracking talk with Politico.
    "I have favored expanding Medicaid, but I don't really see expanding Medicaid as really connected to Obamacare,” he said.
    If Republicans take the Senate, Kasich said, "you better believe they’re gonna repeal Obamacare and I agree with that.” But, he added, “there’s got to be an accommodation” for Medicaid expansion.

    Just like if Obamacare is completely repealed Kentucky can still have Kynect. Maybe he figures of Mitch McConnell can try to get away with pretending like all the good stuff sticks around when the law that created it is destroyed, he can do it, too. Especially if he wants to be president someday.



    more ---


    Yup - Obamacare works and that's the undisputed TRUTH.
     
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    If the Republicans win the House and Senate, Obama Care will not receive funding to pay for its further implementation. We can only hope that is what happens. There were and still are many better ways to provide health care for those that can't afford health insurance. Obama care as implemented has failed to provide the affordable premiums it promised, coverage for all, and failed to lower premiums by reducing uninsured seeking emergency room treatment. Now tax payers are paying higher premiums or penalties for not have insurance, PLUS still paying for emergency room care for the uninsured, and for many states citizens higher State income taxes for expanding Medicaid.
     
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    insurance at gunpoint is not insurance. In the old days, it used to be called racketeering. Strong-arming was another popular term.
    "We don't anything bad to happen to you. Pay us, and we'll protect you. Please don't be late with your payments or Rudy and Jonesy will have to pay you a visit."
    This is how it is run. Old school Chicago mob style.
    I wonder if it will work for the 1 million =/- about o lose their insurance just right after the elections.
     
  11. Mr_Truth

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    Hate to disappoint anyone but ....



    ''It seems that Republican candidates for governor could be the first indicator that Republicans are finally in retreat on Obamacare in reality, if not rhetorically. But even behind the rhetoric some reality lurks.
    Ohio Gov. John Kasich says repeal of the Affordable Care Act’s dramatic Medicaid expansion is "not gonna happen," even if Republicans take control of the Senate ... And after the next cycle millions more will have signed up. Americans have gotten so used to the idea that they can't be dropped from their health insurance for no good reason that they won't remember a time when that could happen. When that's locked into our national psyche, Republicans will finally just have to let this one go.''


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...ublicans-last-stand-for-Obamacare-nbsp-repeal




    Contrary to the lies and delusionalism of the far right, ACA works and we are going to keep it.


    GOD BLESS AMERICA!
     
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    Another Republican state to adopt ACA:


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...ama-administration-on-Medicaid-nbsp-expansion



    Demonstrating once again that Obamacare hatred is fading for Republicans as an issue, one more Medicaid expansion domino appears to be falling: Utah. Though the details aren't entirely clear yet, and the administration has yet to confirm, Republican Gov. Gary Herbert says he's reached a final deal to expand Medicaid to an additional 110,000 people.




    UTAH!!



    :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
     
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    Supreme Court Poised For A Do-Over On Obamacare


    Chris Conover
    Chris Conover , Contributor

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...reme-court-poised-for-a-do-over-on-obamacare/

    I doubt that, Mr Truth. What ya donna do once they change the law? Are you gonna curl up in a little ball and dry? You had better get prepared just in case you loose your free lunch. Most socialist never prepare for anything. They are vultures
    How does total dependency make you independent?
     
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    More Obamacare Truth.

    Obamacare sends health premiums skyrocketing by as much as 78 percent

     
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    Independence??

    You mean like corporations that deduct medical costs on their 1120 tax forms every year so that they get subsidized by taxpayers? Same with Israel's health care paid for by USA taxpayers.

    Where is your objection to this free lunch???
     
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    Contrary to the lies and delusionalism of the far right, ACA is working:






    Upside of Affordable Care Act: Health care costs down Savings estimated in billions of dollars

    Not long ago, the airwaves were filled with predictions that health-care reform would be a disaster for taxpayers and consumers. That hasn't happened.

    According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, will cut the federal budget deficit by $100 billion despite adding health coverage for about 10 million people, by federal estimates.

    ...............

    The overall federal deficit has dropped dramatically. It's now projected to total nearly $5 trillion less by 2020 than was expected just four years ago. Maybe more importantly, Van de Water says the ACA is improving the health of the vital Medicare program, which is threatened by an influx of millions of baby boomers.
    "Medicare will continue to need adjustments, but it's clear health reform has made Medicare's prospects better, not worse," he says.

    the rest:
    http://www.thecharlottepost.com/new...f-affordable-care-act-health-care-costs-down/
     
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    so instead of demand I pay for yours, send them your bill, not me.
    That old two wrongs make you right is wearing thin............
     
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    and now the rest of the TRUTH............
    Nothing to Show for Obamacare
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/nothing-show-obamacare

    ObamaCare Sends Health Premiums Skyrocketing By As Much As 78 Percent
    http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/10/29/obamacare-sends-health-premiums-skyrocketing-much-78-percent

    Obamacare premiums to rise 13%, Ohio agency says
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/05/30/agency-premiums-to-rise-13-in-2015.html

    Obamacare Premiums May Double: Are Insurers in Trouble?
    http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...premiums-may-double-are-insurers-in-trou.aspx

    78% of uninsured say they won’t sign up for Obamacare
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneve...hey-wont-sign-up-for-obamacare/#ixzz3HY7kjWvb

    Florida Blue Raising Premiums 17.6% for Exchange Policies as Obamacare Ire Spikes
    http://flaglerlive.com/69233/florida-blue-premiums/

    Democrat fortunes go down as Obamacare drives premiums up
    http://gazette.com/democrat-fortunes-go-down-as-obamacare-drives-premiums-up/article/1536354

    Surprise: ObamaCare will likely increase food stamp enrollment
    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/06/surprise-obamacare-will-likely-increase-food-stamp-enrollment/

    Obamacare Insurer WellPoint Sees Double-Digit Rate Rise
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...wellpoint-sees-double-digit-rate-rise-in-2015

    Wishful Thinking Can't Hold Obamacare Together
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-11-19/wishful-thinking-can-t-hold-obamacare-together
     
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    OK. So force Israel and the big time corporations to pay back all the welfare they have gotten at taxpayer expense. Let's see you applaud this (that is, if you are so consistent in your "principles").
     
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    typical Liberal agenda....always blame someone else for your miserable failures
    My child used to use that same argument when he was 9
     
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    So you think a tax break is a subsidy eh? No wonder you are confused about Obamacare. BTW, please show us the tax law on that.
     
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    In economics tax breaks are categorized as tax subsidies because the effect of a tax break is exactly the same as a subsidy so tax breaks are lumped in with all other subsidies like direct government payments and things like giving away government land or allowing its use for reduced rates or for free.

    The only difference is how the government goes about it, which is a difference without a distinction.
    Only a person either naively or deliberately ignorant of how taxes function in economies would entertain the idea that tax breaks are not subsidies.
     
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    Subsidy - money that is paid usually by a government to keep the price of a product or service low or to help a business or organization to continue to function. For instance, some food products are not taxed less to keep the price low but subsidized by the government. Many farmers get direct payments from the government to do or not do certain things. Obamacare isn't taxing people less to help afford insurance but subsidizing them with direct cash payments to the insurance companies.
     
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    I have been saying all along it was designed to fail. and it is failing miserably.
    Obamacare Faces New Threat as Supreme Court Weighs Appeal

    By Greg Stohr Oct 30, 2014 5:00 AM ET

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...s-supreme-court-weighs-appeal.html?cmpid=yhoo

    the real patriots are going to force Washington DC back into its 36 sq mi.................oh............... jingle jingle jingle all the way Merry Christmas, moochers
     
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