Mueller for Dummies: A Brief Summary

As if anything you have to say matters to me.

Your first example cites an Obama immigration policy, where he actually separated immigrants, children from parents, placed the children in cages, as a deterrence. To ignore what Obama did, and only focus on Trump, shows your TDS.

Divided by Detention: Asylum-Seeking Families’ Experiences of Separation - August 31, 2016

As the number of asylum-seeking families from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico arriving in the United States soared in recent years, the Obama Administration aggressively expanded family detention in an attempt to “deter” the arrival of others. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) opened large detention centers to detain mothers and children. Although DHS has the authority to place asylum-seekers directly into immigration court proceedings, it continues to detain mothers and children and subject them to fast-track removal. Families and advocates have exposed the numerous ways that detention and fast-track removal jeopardize the well-being of asylum-seeking families. They have also drawn attention to the due-process violations caused by detention that prevent families from accessing the system of humanitarian protection created for people in their circumstances.

 

Ken Starr. Nuff said.

 

Legislatures or us, it is all the same. We have a divided nation and it is primarily the democrats fault. You were asking some time ago, if the republicans would accept Mueller's report. The investigation went on for over two years. Now that it is out, the democrat don't accept it. They, you, want to continue investigating. Enough is enough.

I understand it. Democrats don't like Trump. I and many republicans don't like Trump. But he is still the president. Get over it. Stop the investigation and let this government do what it is supposed to do according to the constitution and that is to govern.

 

There is? Really? There is nothing in Mueller's report that rises to that. No conspiracy or collusion. No obstruction. You failed.

 

Well, after the DOJ OIG report comes out, then we will see a full blown investigation into the Obama admin's illegal actions during the 2016 election, and during the president-elect transition. I'll bet the same dems will be screaming for us to please close the book on all of this, then.

 

Oh.... And you know this because the guy who just cracked the 10 thousand lie mark told you so, right?

Nope. Only your immoral orange blob did family separation as a policy with no intention to ever reunite them. I can't even think of any other leader in the western world who has done that. Except in Germany... near mid 20th Century....

It doesn't matter what I say. What matters is what Trump did. And the fact that you support him is... well... Your conscience will tell you. If you have one..

 

You mean: Nuff ignorance!

A SITTING PRESIDENT’S AMENABILITY TO INDICTMENT AND CRIMINAL PROSECUTION
Date of Issuance:
Monday, October 16, 2000
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I don't even know why I respond to you. You're such a waste of time.

 

Starr outlined 11 crimes Clinton committed without indicting him. Guess what? Mueller outlined none. Talk about sticking your head in the sand.

 

In this case, I kinda agree with that. But let it be known that you said it, not I.

Yeah.... Darn Democrats All those speeches where they told supporters "I'd like to punch them in the face" and telling their supporters to "rough 'em up" and refusing to clearly and decisively denounce white supremacists, and making poor Trump say in his speeches that he did things because "my voters...", and...what's that? That wasn't the dems?

What the devil are you talking about? 1000% we accept it. I even opened this thread to try to get Republicans to understand it (hence the title "for dummies")

What planet are you living in?

That's what the report says! The right is so absolutely clueless it's breathtaking. Mueller could not prosecute because of the OLC. Trump refused to answer his questions. So Mueller left the blanks that needed to be filled in and only Congress can fill them.

How can you be so completely detached from the real world?

 

Yes. Darn democrats. The investigation was completed by Mueller. It is time to move on.

Then what are they investigating?

Fine. Take the report and do whatever they intend to do. But it is time to stop investigating.

 

No it wasn't. It's a roadmap. Didn't you read the report?

I don't expect you to actually read the 448 pages of the report. But if you're discussing it, at least you should understand what it says.

Don't tell me you're here talking about it and you don't even know what it says. Don't bother responding to that. It's obvious that that's the case.

The points that Mueller wrote on the report that needed to be asked.

My God!

 

You mean, Mueller investigated for two years and that was not enough? This was with trained agents. Why do you think a bunch of political hacks are going to discover that FBI agents could not discover? It has gone beyond investigation. It is now political theater.

 

And with the limitations set by the OLC.... Which Congress does not have

 

What limitations? Mueller got 34 guilty pleas or convictions from individuals or convictions.

 

"What limitations"?

Look. Let's step back. I have said several times it would be unreasonable to expect folks on the right to have read all 448 pages. But if you're going to say things like "It is now political theater" and "stop investigating"... you damn well better understand what's in the report. And you obviously don't!

The OP is for people who are completely clueless. That's where you start. But it's just a start. After that you ask questions. Get informed. And when you understand it, then make a judgement if you want.

But not when you are as clueless as you are now.

 

Get off the silly condemnations. You have been making all these claims and don't really back up anything. Now again, what limitations? Apparently, he as able to convict or get guilty please from 34 people. That does not look much like limitations to me.

 

Back up what? It's on the report!!! I'll back up whatever the hell you want me to back up. But I don't think the mods would like me to cut and paste a 448 page report.

Other posters on this thread have asked me to back up certain specifics, and I have done so. You, on the other hand, just threw out a "stop the investigation" without even knowing what the investigation had concluded.

The limitations imposed by DoJ directives!

By chance, did you not notice a certain ... how should we call it?... "pattern"... in those cases? Let me spell it out for you: None of those 34 people were the President of the United States!

 

You haven't backed up anything. Period. End of story.

DOJ limits have not limited the investigation.

Pattern? There are three hundred and thirty million other people who were not convicted or plead guilty. That does not mean they should have been convicted or plead guilty.

 

But that is how the left think. If they don't like the conversation a president had, while he was discussing his legal options with his White House Counsel, then the left want to impeach the president over it.

The repubs could have impeached Obama over DACA, over flying pallets of cash to Iran, over claiming recess appointment powers while the Senate was still in session, in violation of the appointments clause, or any of the 12 times Obama suffered a unanimous 9-0 defeat at the Supreme Court, when they ruled against his executive overreach, and/or violations of the law.

 

Of course I haven't. Mueller has.

Yes they have!

Mueller Report page 230 (quoting OLC)

Surely, the House and Senate, via impeachment, are more appropriate agencies for such a crucial task, made unavoidably political by the nature of the ‘defendant.’​

Looks like pattern recognition is not your strong suit. Patterns are a very strong element in intelligence quotient tests. However, it turns out that the skill can be acquired with practice, if you don't have a natural ability. Might be helpful for you if you ever apply for a job that values this trait. There are books that help polish the skill. I'd recommend staying away from complex matters like the Mueller Report before have had the practice, though.

 

This from the guy who posited "Barr lied" and "Trump committed crimes" from the Mueller report.

There's no end to the amusement the left provides in their desperation.

 

Mmmm no.

You didn't explain why Mueller didn't charge anyone other than the POTUS for your "Russia Russia Russia" hypothesis.

 

That does not restrict the investigation.

Apparently logic is not your strong suit. Only insults.

 

The sad thing is you need a little logic for good insults.

 

You are correct. Congress cannot appoint a special counsel. It probably cannot even grant itself authority to do so, as that would likely be a constitutional violation: congress can only legislate; only the executive branch can investigate and prosecute crimes.