Mueller may be winding down his investigation

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  1. Mamasaid

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    No. Diplomacy cannot be conducted by campaign officials in the name of a person who is not a government official. That is actually a crime. Kind of shot yourself in the foot, there.

    Furthermore, for you to act as if meeting gs like Donnie jr had are "diplomacy" is embarrassing to watch, and you discredit yourself to do so.
     
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    Hilariously brainwashed opinion. Mueller himself obviously beilves it isn't as open and shut as you try to make it seem or Flynn would've been sentenced after at least the 2nd delay. Ofcourse with all the information out if you believe Flynn "was a foreign agent colluding with Russia" then regardless of what mueller does you'll think it's legitimate and doesn't bode well for drumpf.

    Up to and including the fact that manafort isn't even being charged with anything collusion related...
     
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    I think the plan is to keep this going until after 2020...even though Mueller knows he has nothing, the DNC has told him to spin this as long as possible to keep throwing suspicion his way. Look at what they're doing to everyone else around Trump and the GOP. After Jim Jordan grilled Rod Rosenstein, all of a sudden a twenty year old incident that Jordan just happened to be in the vicinity of back in those days conveniently and coincidentally surfaced. And it didn't even have to be true, just merely saying it, will cast enough doubt to ruin Jordan's reputation and career forever. Damage done.

    The socialist left are corrupt beyond imagination and completely above the law to the point of arrogantly knowing they'll never be held accountable. They've amassed enough nefarious blackmail evidence on everyone in Congress to control them forever.
     
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    I never implied Mueller thought it was open and shut. I merely was refuting what you said. And Flynn's sentencing was delayed so that he could continue cooperating., and, that could help him at sentencing.
    Flynn is a foreign agent. That is a fact.
    Flynn was colluding with Russian officials regarding the sanctions. That is also a fact in public record. How do you not know the most basic facts of this topic?
     
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    I'm watching the GOP make utter fools of themselves today.

    I wonder if Trump will tweet about how he's been "exonerated" again.
     
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    We would be even more foolish to entertain the notion in the absence of probable cause or reasonable suspicion. For all intents and purposes, a reasonable person would simply PRESUME you to be innocent until proven otherwise.
     
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    Wrong.

    The president-elect is a government official according to US law.

    There is also a well-established precedent of incoming administrations conducting foreign policy through diplomatic outreach.

    Those facts are why Flynn will NEVER be indicted or prosecuted for his communications with the Russian government.

    You were talking about Flynn in the post I responded to, not Trump Jr. But nothing Trump Jr. did was illegal either.
     
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    Of which we have both. Thanks again.
     
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    No, we have the government's say so, which you accept on pure faith. Forgive me if I don't follow your example. I prefer to think for myself.
     
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    No, i accept it because it is so unanimois and far reaching. Do not confuse your faith in things for which you have zero evidnce with my determinations, based on evidence, that something is likely true. Your magical thinking does not go on the same shelf with my evidence based determinations, sorry.
     
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    You accept it because you have religious faith in the government.
     
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    Tell yourself whatever you want. I won't lose any sleep. Your embarrassing defense of dear leader stands for itself.
     
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    I remember saying back in January of 2017 that this was a stupid idea and it was going to end up being a net negative for the Democratic Party.

    Hmmm, wonder how long it will take to go find it in my post history. Would be fun to put on my sig! :)

    Happy that stupid lawsuits cannot (hopefully cannot) do this kinda crap in the future to hinder government and burn capital.
     
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    LOL!!!!!!! Wait and see what he has. You don't know and neither do I. Tell me, what will you do if the final report finds Trump and his campaign guilty of collusion and treason plus money laundering and obstruction of justice and recommends impeachment and criminal trials? What will be your position?
     
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    Oh that's easy.

    He will reject the conclusions, and all of the evidence on the basis of a vast conspiracy.
     
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    How many times do we have to point out that you don't know what Mueller has because Mueller runs a tight ship and prevents leaks?
     
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    If they have proof you will have to push me out of line in yelling for impeachment.

    In fact, you can just stay home...I have a rope and a will...I will take care of it.
     
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    Of course they will have proof. In fact it's looking like plenty or most of their proof is coming fromTrump insiders.
     
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    He's got to be finished now, right?
     
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    That is a fact that is public knowledge...you Trump cultists are impossible to have a rational discussion with...
     
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    It's looking like? You said yourself that we "don't know what Mueller has because Mueller runs a tight ship and prevents leaks". If that's true, how do you know what "it's looking like"? I haven't heard anything from Mueller's team to suggest any of Trump's insiders have given them anything to work with. Have you? Can you source that information? Look, the fact is that there's going to come a time when Mueller is going to have to either come up with some evidence for all of this or else close shop on the whole collusion thing. There is at least some evidence that this whole line of investigation might have been fraudulent and I don't think the public is going to tolerate this thing going on indefinitely. Recent polls indicate that support for this investigation is eroding. Maybe the OP is right and this thing is in the process of winding down. We'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    Consider the number of Trump insiders who have been called on to testify vs. non-insiders. Consider how many Trump insiders have agreed to testify in exchange for immunity vs. non-insiders.

    IOW you're asking if I know any details about what information Mueller has gotten in interviews. Of course I don't. Mueller is a seasoned professional and runs a tight ship. He manages to prevent leaks, and that is essential in such an investigation.


    No there isn't. Fake "news" may have invented such an impression though.

    No they don't. Not in any serious way, at least. I'd like to see it end but I want the investigation to be complete and have strong results even more. And Mueller is the professional who can do that. Forcing him to stop is only an attempt to protect Trump and his insiders from published truth and any consequences. Many people think they are guilty of treason. I think that is serious enough that we need very much to know if it's wrong. That would help heal some of the extreme division we have.

    Regarding this going on too long, look into the Nixon investigations. Then consider the length of Republican BS investigations like the 3 years of Benghazi that produced zero indictments, etc.
     
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    Still waiting for the unwinding phase to begin. Or are the Russian and Manifort indictments proof to you that the unwindind has started. I figure the hysterical Trump tweeting is proof that the heat is just starting and Trump is panicking.
     
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    Oh, well then gosh, you would be able to prove something that is so obvious. Please do! I'll wait . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
     
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    *LOL*
     

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