Mueller report to be revealed soon!

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Savvy Republicans knew that, by appealing to the worse demons of their nature, they were buying a one way ticket on the Palookaville Express.

    They were losing the nation's women, younger and better-educated Americans, the growing, diverse US populace. They left the driving to Trump, and he is providing his good ol' white boys with a last hurrah joy ride to political oblivion.

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    "Après moi le déluge!"

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    Trump's most loyal worshippers, the neo-nazis at Daily Stormer who hail him as their "Emperor God!" are hysterical over their paranoid version of impending doom. It is ironically amusing that their contrived historical parallel is with the ill-fated Russian imperial family:

     
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    You dealt with one sentence in the post in your reply, 116, and ignored all the rest. You seem to be claiming that Trump knew nothing about what was going on around him, including a meeting at his home involving Trump's son, son-in-law, and his campaign manager and four Russian operatives. You claim he knew nothing about the cover-up. He knew nothing about the relationship between his staff and the Russians. He knew nothing about the deal Flynn made with the Russians for the future Trump administration.

    If somehow what you say is true, Trump is far more dumber than I thought.

    I did reply when you said Trump's request for help from the Russians was a joke, a perfectly ludicrous statement to make.

    You have ignored this statement even though I have repeated it.

    One important factor that we all must keep in mind. Trump never does the dirty work. He gets others to do it for him. Picture Trump calling the Russian ambassador to make a deal in December 2016. Never happen, right. So, claiming that Trump never collaborated with the Russians or did not know about the activities of his son, son-in-law, campaign manager, and personal lawyer on his behalf is meaningless and useless as a defense tactic. Trump is responsible for what the Trump campaign did in his name.

    You know you are backing a loser, don't you? Why do you do that?
     
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    "Somewhere over the rainbow,
    Way up high,
    And the dreams that you dream of,
    Once in a lullaby,

    Somewhere over the rainbow,
    Bluebirds fly,
    And the dreams that you dream of,
    Dreams really do come true,

    Someday, I wish upon a star,
    Wake up where the clouds are far behind me,
    Where trouble melts like lemon drops,
    High above the chimney top,
    President Trump will be impeached.
     
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    It dealt with what you were talking about and the keystone piece of evidence as with others that just got flushed down the drain. What you got now, more conjecture and suppositions? Those are not evidence.


    Actually it is ludicrious to believe that shows any collusion and wasn't anything more than a joke during a campaign speech as I explained you seem unable to refute.
    Try again

    How could the Russians hack servers that were not even online and in the hands of the FBI who were struggling to recover the information on them which Hillary had tried to destroy? And that information did not even belong to Hillary it belongs to the American taxpayer. It is to be archived where people can have access to and study and investigate it and use it to write books.

    You can repeat your conjecture and suppositions all you want, that doesn't make them true or evidence of something.
     
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    I said, "Trump always got someone else to do the dirty work for him, giving him the luxury of deniability. Trump is responsible for what his campaign did. If his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign govern, he collaborated with a hostile foreign government."

    You said:

    You called that "guilt by association." Are you serious? Did you say that with a straight face?

    Yes, Trump was associated with Trump election campaign. Now if you want to call that guilt by association, be my guest, but it is a little silly.

    Did you read post 84, or take my para out of context?

    I don't believe you are a Democrat because of the way you structured your sentence. "This is what drives conservatives crazy about the left." You seem to be sympathetic to conservatives.

    I am not "people."

    Our 250 year history of jurisprudence makes the leader of an organization responsible for what the organization does. A Trumper would call that "guilt by association." 8)
     
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    Yet still nothing other than left wing hysteria.
     
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    I fully agree. The Freedom Caucus is crazy, but the Senate Republicans led by McConnell and Cornyn are smart enough to know they signed a pact with the devil, and it is time to tear up the agreement. Trump will lead them to defeat in 2020 because Americans won't be so apathetic as they were in 2016. They know the result of an non-vote now. McConnell and Cornyn know that.

    The irony is, Trump knows it, too, because he is not interested in governing. When a President's advisors are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Fox and Friends, you know that President isn't serious. All he wants to do is create chaos wherever he goes.
     
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    There are Americans who actually think like that? Good Lord.
     
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    Probably not, since even if Trump is exonerated, which I doubt he will be. They could still investigate his staffers....

    Flynn was a known Russian agent who lied to the FBI.

    Sessions secretly met with Russian intelligence agencies without getting clearance from the State Department, which is required for any members of a political campaign, and then lied to them and the FBI, claiming the meeting never look place...

    Trump Jr. met with Russian officials and tried to get them to letting the campaign use their embassy's direct line to Moscow. This was before Trump was even elected.
     
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    It is hardly surprising that the narcissistic cry baby is far more simpatico with self-promoting, outrage-exploiting entertainers than with self-effacing public servants.

    As for a pact with the devil, self-righteous evangelicals' embrace of a rapacious mammon-craver, a lying, p-grabbing, moral degenerate who furtively pleasures himself with bimbos behind the backs of trophy wives, is a wholesale abandonment of even a token pretense of decency. They give hypocrites a bad name.
     
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    Many of Trump's worshippers do not like to be reminded of their goose-stepping fellow travelers. it hits too close to home.
     
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    The self-righteous evangelicals just want conservative judges. To get that they, too, signed a pact with the devil.
     
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    Boy are you in for another disappointment! All the work you have put into this....such a shame.
     
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  14. Sandy Shanks

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    Yup, and Trump didn't know a thing. :eyepopping: :rolleyes:
     
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    Trump is in big trouble. He made a very bad move when he appointed Whitaker.

    If for some reason you found yourself watching the House Judiciary Committee hearing featuring acting attorney general Matthew Whitaker on Friday morning, you might have watched the ranking Republican shouting angrily about all kinds of obscure and meaningless matters, then asked yourself, “What is he yelling about, and who cares?” before slipping gently into a stupor and losing consciousness.


    Which is a risk at any congressional hearing. But some of the farcical goings-on at the hearing offer a reminder that when it comes to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation, Democrats seem to have succeeded. Republicans are shouting about nothing not just because that’s their default mode when the cameras are on, but because they’re genuinely frustrated at how they’re losing the broader battle over the Mueller probe.

    Committee chair Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) asked Whitaker whether he has had to approve any particular actions by the special counsel, since Mueller must get approval before opening up new lines of investigation or taking certain important steps. Whitaker’s attempt to evade the question was so ham-handed that the entire room burst out in a combination of shock and derisive laughter:

    You might take this as evidence that the real answer is "yes." There's nothing wrong with that, since for the moment Whitaker is overseeing the investigation. But Whitaker seemed so frightened and flummoxed by having to testify at all that it was hard to tell.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...rats-have-already-won/?utm_term=.db63ecfbf2ab
     
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    Whitaker was grilled today by the House Judiciary Committee. He did his best to stall and change the subject. He failed to answer questions as he rambled on about irrelevant matters. In a number of cases he obviously lied.

    While Whitaker repeatedly cited his desire to keep conversations between himself and the President private, he did allow, under repeated questioning, that he had never talked to Trump about the special counsel investigation. "I have not talked to the President of the United States about the special counsel investigation," he said.

    That is difficult to believe. He was interviewed by Trump. Trump calls the Mueller investigation a "witch hunt." Whitaker was going to be placed in charge of the Mueller investigation, and Whitaker said with a straight face they never talked about the Mueller investigation.

    Whitaker said that Trump did not ask him for anything nor had he promised the President anything in exchange for his promotion. This, too, is difficult to accept. Trump has made no secret of his distaste for the Mueller probe. The problem for Trump was that his decision to appoint Whitaker was a bit too obvious. Knowing Whitaker's views on the Mueller probe, no doubt Trump expected Whitaker to minimize Mueller efforts. The problem, though, is that everyone else knew Whitaker's views and the political environment did not allow Whitaker to do anything.
     
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    One theory Mueller is working on is that Russia was taking steps to bolster Trump’s candidacy because people in Trump's orbit were discussing deals to end a dispute over Russia’s incursions into Ukraine and possibly give Moscow relief from economic sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies. That fits with Trump's rhetoric.

    Indeed, that may have been the deal Mike Flynn was working on before he got fired as Trump's NSA when the media discovered he talked to the Russians as a private citizen in December 2016.

    The theory involved Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and a longtime Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom investigators have linked to Russian intelligence. A closer look at a transcript, released late Thursday, shows that the prosecutors have been keenly focused on discussions the two men had about a plan to end the conflict that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014. Persuading the United States to ease or end the American-led sanctions imposed to punish Moscow for its aggression has been a primary goal of Russian foreign policy.

    If Trump came through for Putin, would that mean the Trump Organization would get its Moscow Trump Tower? Is that the deal? Neither Trump nor Putin give something for nothing.
     
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    The Trump Tower Moscow is likely at the root of Trumps initial cozying up to Putin. Putin also realized that Trump was the perfect idiot tool to do whatever he needed Trump to do if he helped catapult him into The White House. All along Trump did indeed have many ties to the Russkie Oligarchy for the purpose of laundering their money via real estate deals in the USA. Trump has absolutely zero allegiance to this country and that makes him so horribly detrimrntal.
     
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    Amazing you think Putin runs America and has sway over you. Tell us how Putin made you vote for Trump.
     
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    House investigators plan to probe Trump’s relationship with a bank implicated in Russian money laundering.

    “We are not interested in our committee in whether he’s a tax cheat or not worth what he says he is,” Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said in an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “What we are interested in is, does the president have business dealings with Russia such that it compromises the United States?”

    The Post reports, "In particular, Schiff said the House panel plans to investigate Trump’s two-decade relationship with Deutsche Bank, a German institution that has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties in recent years after admitting its role in a $10 billion money laundering scheme that allowed clients in Russia to move vast sums overseas."

    This is key. This may explain how Putin is able to extort Trump.
     
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    Trump already paid fines for laundering money at his now defunct casinos...
    Trump is a racketeer.
     
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    He extorted Trump to place sanctions on Russia? Go figure.
     
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    Trump is incapable of testifying in the Mueller probe!

    Who is saying that? Trump's former defense lawyer, John Dowd.

    He said, "the president would become confused and make a false statement."

    “In my questioning him or talking to him, you know, first question, easy. Second question, easy. Third question, he wasn’t sure. And he doesn’t like being unsure. So he’ll guess,” Dowd said of his interactions with Trump. “There’s your trap, right there. It’s not whether he lies or not. . . . It’s not a matter of integrity. It’s overload.”

    Dowd is trying to provide a pathetic excuse for Trump's lying. The fact of the matter is, according to Trump's own lawyer, Trump is incapable of telling the truth. That is why he won't be testifying.

    Another Trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has the same concerns about Trump's lying. He warned about Mueller’s intentions in questioning the President. “What they’re really trying to do is trap him into perjury, and we’re not suckers.” Giuliani also said, "Truth isn't truth."

    Imagine that. Two of Trump's lawyers are telling us our President can't tell the truth.
     
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    At Helsinki, Trump rejected American intelligence and accepted Putin's word about interference in our election because Putin sounded sincere.

    In December, Trump surrendered to Russia in Syria.

    The pathetic sanctions do little good, They are a slap on the wrist, but they enable Trump's fans to say Trump placed sanctions on Russia. They don't hurt Putin or Russia one bit.
     
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    Poor Sandy, Russians made you vote for Trump. LOL

    Sad no war?
     

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