Muslims see ‘foreign law’ bill as attack on Shariah

Exactly right!

 

Only rational and informed post on this thread.

 

Margot simply wants America law to become Sharia law and become a second-class citizen, that's all. Cut her some slack. Heck, she might even be an honor-killing someday. For the good of Islam, you understand.

 

Maggot, being so knowledgeable of the Arab culture you will have to admit that lying is a birthright that has severed to confuse the gullible.

Let's talk about the women that you talked to; was a family member present or did they risk their lives to tell you cultural secrets?

The men: do you really believe that they spoke to an infidel candidly?

I doubt that they did and I doubt that you have ever been out of this country. In any case I find your unshakable support of these Atrab dogs to be very troubling.

 

Don't be absurd. No voluntary religious arbitration supercedes US law.. Not even Beth Din which has been in the US and UK for 200 years.

 

Because I am a woman and a Christian I have a unique opportunity to have conversations with both Saudi men and women.

Nobody was risking their lives or trying to convert the other.

I have spoken to these people individually and in groups.

I grew up in the Ghawar oilfields.. lived briefly in Libya and Kuwait and have traveled extensively in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq..

Pretty common experience for American expats in the oil business in the ME.

 

Margot, while you stayed in Saudi, were you able to walk around without head cover in the open squares? Or were women required to cover their odors and heads?

 

None of the American women wore Abayas or covered their hair until after the Iranian Revolution and that was because of misinformation and a knee jerk reaction by many American families who were newly arrived in Arabia for the five year construction plan that followed.

On return trips to Arabia, I have dressed modestly.. skirt lengths below the knee, arms covered and a slip so my dress isn't see thru.. but I have NEVER worn an Abaya.

 

Maggot, you didn't answer the question. Do you really think that these people with a centuries old culture of lies, told an infidel the truth??

Let's ask some other questions about your beloved Arab culture: Have you ever seen an Arab man expose himself to you in public? You do agree that such actions are authorized by Islamic law?

My brother worked in Saudi and lived in Lebanon just before it slipped into hell. His wife was so freaked out that she had to stay in her room while he was at work and finally tried to kill herself.

Do you deny that infidel women have no legal or culture protection from unwanted groping in public and risk being raped if they are in private with an Arab man. In fact, islamo women have no protection either and that is why they are not allowed in public alone.

You can praise and kiss the Arabs' butts all you want but it is clear to me that the Arab culture and its religion of death should outlawed in this country.

I'm not a christian and have little more respect for that

 

Is also known as "Abortion". You gotta know how to speak liberal....

 

Hmmm

 

I am sorry for your brother's wife.. I always moved freely in Saudi Arabia ..

I have NEVER been groped in public anywhere and neither had my mother, her friends, or my friends.

Arab women go out in public alone all the time...

I have NEVER seen an Arab man expose himself in public.

You have a belief that lying is Islamic.... Guess you are stuck with that notion based on absolutely NO experience living around Muslims.

 

Its not just that. When you argue and make a claim you are supposed to support it with facts and links to back up your claims.

Margot does none of this and instead continues to tell us how well she knows Islamic culture.

It couldn't be a more ridiculous defense of an argument and its why I don't take her seriously.

 

You must be aware that Arab women are not treated the same as infidel women.

I have a good friend that was in Egypt with his wife - the most beautiful red head that I have ever seen - when an Arab man ran up and touched his penis to her leg. My friend couldn't catch that guy who ran for his life but he later threw an Arab for the landing pad on an off shore drilling rid.

You must also know that most oil field workers' wives never left the compounds were they lived.

I don't have to live in Iran to believe what an Air Force liaison in Iran told me about his dealings with the local people.

I guess because you never heard of any infidel women being groped you will discount the cases that I have recounted?

As for the Arab women who go out alone; would that be young unwed women walking down the street in Saudi Arabia??

 

We did.. We were off compound several times a week.. Easy to jump on a bus or hire a cab and go to the local souk or Khobar or Damman.

We never had male escorts.

I think you should go to ARAMCO Annuitants website and ASK them about life in Arabia.

 

http://saudiarabiatrip.edublogs.org/page/2/

Check this out?? If you dare.

After lunch (and my calligraphy lesson), I got into an interesting but bizarre discussion with Tariq about the Saudi legal system and its use of corporal and capital punishment. We ended up on the topic because Tariq was inveighing against the evils of illegal drugs and discussing penalties for being a drug dealer, so I took the opportunity to ask him about the recent case of the young woman attacked by seven men who was sentenced to a gruesome number of lashes with the whip and jail time. [See yesterday's post for more information and a link to a recent New York Times article.] Tariq claimed never to have heard of the case (which has been going on for almost a year, and is currently in the appeals phase). Moreover, he said that he didn’t believe it was true because “the Western media often makes up stories” to depict Saudi Arabia in an unflattering light. Because I was trying to be polite, I didn’t point out that the story has been covered extensively in the Arab News and Al-Jazeera, both news outlets aimed at Arab Muslims. I found his response disconcerting and depressing. While even just two days in Saudi Arabia have confirmed for me that there are many lovely and impressive things about Saudi Arabia, including its friendly and hospitable people, its rapid advances in technology and education, and its long artistic and historical tradition, it is ultimately counterproductive to Saudi Arabia’s PR “charm offensive” to deny basic facts. I don’t mind if they “spin” the story to portray themselves in the best possible light – have you ever seen an American politician or business leader do anything else? – but I do mind being lied to.

I know that you have told us that this is a lie but here it is.

a disturbing story concerning Saudi Arabia - a young woman was sentenced to jail and ninety lashes (i.e. corporal punishment) for being sexually assaulted by seven men. The judge deemed her to be partly responsible because she had been out in the company of a male friend who wasn’t a relative. In Saudi Arabia, all women must be accompanied in public by a male guardian.

More vicious lies.
by the time we’d reached the border with Saudi Arabia all the women were dressed head to toe in black, including veils covering their faces. They had to get out of their cars and walk to a separate passport control office reserved for women only.

 

What does any of that have to do with Sharia law in the U.S.?

If people want to act like barbarians in their own country, let them.

 

Ask her if she wore an abaya in Arabia??

 

I don't know about this lady but I do know that another woman traveling to Saudi to meet her husband was met by her husband at the air port with a barrowed abaya in his hand so that she could put it on until she could go to the store and buy her own.

It is clear that women are expect to travel with relatives. I have to think that you have an agenda with your insistence that it isn't true that women are oppressed in Arabia.

 

We are still waiting for ANY proof of YOUR assertion that Sharia Law is taking over US law.

A single misogynist judge supporting an abusive husband's rape is NOT "Sharia Law".

 

Veiled my ass. I'll say it out loud. Try that sharia (*)(*)(*)(*) in the US and I'll pick up a gun.

 

You just keep getting it wrong, don't you? Sharia tribunals are at all times subject to the ultimate sanction of British law.
Furthermore they rely on voluntary participation of both parties who must first agree to arbitration.
Sorry this doesn't fit your Islamophobic agenda, but facts are facts. You might want to take note of that.

 

Careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot...it's already in your mouth!

 

You really are a sucker. Sharia law by its very wording descriminates against when yet your country is so impotent you allow it.

 

How crazy is it for us to be talking about passing state laws to keep a religious law out of our courts when those very courts have just band a student selected prater at a football game??

All across this country we are tearing down crosses, banning American flags all over the place and having the SCLU kicking over Christmas trees because they are associated with a holyday that was high jacked by christians. Yet, judges are pondering taking this shariah crap into account when litigating a case???