Navalny issued chilling warning about second Trump term in final letters from prison

What part of they killed they guy for passing information about Putin and Russia?
The same Russia that allowed him to send a letter about Trump being a scary choice.

 

Again, all it means is they didn't feel that letter would hurt their interests. This doesn't tell you that they want Biden to win, it tells you they don't think Navalny calling Trump scary hurts their interests. Anything more than that is speculative.

 

Except it supports Putins statement.
Putin issued a statement that he preferred Biden to win reelection over Trump because Biden is “more experienced, more predictable.

 

Putin most likely said that because he believes Americans want to do the opposite of what he said. I mean, sure, this is also speculative, but seems more likely than Putin endorsed Biden because he thought it would help Biden win. I know some conservatives want to leave Ukraine to the Russians, but that's not the same as loving Putin.

 

Remind us all again
Who killed hundreds of Russians in Syria, that Putin kept his mouth shut about?
Who deported Russian oligarchs and officers?
Who shut down the Russian consulate in Washington?
Who was the first president in history to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine to kill more Russians.
Who Reversed the previous Administration’s disastrous Cuba policies beneficial to Russia

Then you can tell us
Who was the president when Putin decided to invade Ukraine under
Who was the president allowing over 7 million unchecked illegals from every country to roam the US

No wonder Putin prefers Biden.

 

Putin didn't time his decision based upon the United States at all. It should have been obvious to him that Biden would aid Ukraine while Trump would not, but Putin did not anticipate the difficulty of the Ukraine war - he thought they would fold far more easily, and fold too early for international aid to matter, and so Biden helping Ukraine wasn't going to be relevant in his expectations. But at this point, if the war isn't over before the next president, he would benefit more from having republicans in power, especially Trump, to not aid Ukraine further.

He timed it by a change in thinking about Europe, and the fact that his previous strategy had not yielded sufficient results. Previously, Russia wanted to get Europe closer to Russia to limit US influence, but has wanted to retake parts of their former empire, and part of preserving both goals was to take Ukraine, or at least parts of it, without official military force, as they did with Crimea. Openly being at war with Ukraine lowers the prospect of Russia getting closer to Europe, as expected.

 

FALSE
Trump was already aiding Ukraine and was the first president in history to do so.
Claim dismissed

Making up your own propaganda
Has no value
Claim dismissed

Another made up claim as as history has already proven who gave lethal weapons to Ukraine first
Starting the lethal aid to Ukraine for the first time in history
Claim dismissed

False
Russia invaded Ukraine to stop them from joining NATO
Everyone on the planet knows this
Claim dismissed

 

Wasn't significant. Biden's aid is.

What does that even mean? It's obviously true.

Wasn't significant, and wasn't during an actual war between Ukraine and Russia, more significantly.

Nope. Not true at all. Only people who believe Russian propaganda believe that. If you're really deep into russian propaganda you'll also think it's to rid Ukraine of Nazis, but you don't appear to be that far gone.

 

So Biden providing lethal aid is significant, but any Republican providing it isn't?
This is what you're trying to sell?
Please

It means you just made it up out of thin air.

You're claiming Republicans providing arms isn't significant?
Just stop

Sounds more like the only one out there believing in Russian propaganda is you.

US News
Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine

Experts say the cause of the military conflict can be tied to a complicated history, Russia’s tensions with NATO and the ambitions of Vladimir Putin.


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine: Why and why now?
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/russia-s-invasion-ukraine-why-why-now
His irredentist yearning to bring Ukraine back into the Russian fold is laced with imperial nostalgia and bitter resentment at the loss of Ukraine after the Soviet Union’s break-up in 1991.

Putin also has hard-nosed geopolitical ambitions: he aims to redraw Europe’s post-Cold War security architecture. He wants to resist the further eastward expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), restore Russia’s strategic depth, and reclaim its historical sphere of influence around its western borders. Ukraine is central to this goal.

 

You have to admit it makes a difference whether the parties are actually at war, right?

Both of those sources support what I said, especially the 2nd one. Neither are Russian sources.

 

I think he will be forced out.

If Trump gets locked up his dominance in the elections will rise. It will be a landmark election voting against political prosecution. It isn't likely to happen though. I think Manchin would take her to the cleaners. I think he would beat Trump also. I don't think the DNC is fond of Manchin. I think they will put Newsom in. They are very fond of him.

Nothing is going to prevent Russia from gobbling up Ukraine. It is too late for that. The will on the part of the EU and US has declined a bunch in two years. I think if we had been serious about pushing Russia out in the beginning it could have happened and also saved us a lot of money and the Ukrainians a lot of lives and destruction. But we didn't work toward a military win. We worked toward a political solution that never could have occurred. A lot of people have died. Russia is still there and doing better currently. We have lost the will to finish it. It's a shame but that is what I see. At this point we should either give Ukraine NATO membership with everything that means or we should apologize for messing it up and turn tail. Continuing along the same path will give the same results. It normally does.

 

No, it doesn't. You're just forecasting your own ideas.

They aren't supposed to be Russian sources.
And they both confirm Putins attack on Ukraine and his threats if they join NATO.
That you claimed was Russian propaganda. lol

 

If you don't believe that, I am not sure if you can be reasoned with. It is categorically different to give arms to a country actively at war with another versus not.

No, they do not say that. Perhaps your issue is you don't know the definition of pretext? Quoting your first source:

"A principal demand of Russia is to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, a military alliance between 29 European countries and two North American countries dedicated to preserving peace and security in the North Atlantic area. Ukraine is one of just a few countries in Eastern Europe that aren’t members of the alliance. The Kremlin in general views NATO expansion as a “fundamental concern,” according to a translated readout of a Jan. 28, 2022, call between Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron.

It’s noteworthy, however, that NATO likely has “no intention right now” to admit Ukraine to the organization, says William Pomeranz, the acting director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center, a non-partisan policy forum for global issues.

“I think NATO, and the invitation for Ukraine to join NATO at some point in the future, is simply just a pretext to potentially invade Ukraine,” he says, referring to Russia. “Ukraine is not a member of NATO, it doesn't have any of the NATO guarantees, and so there is no hint that Ukraine will become a member of NATO soon.”

...

"“We know that Putin views the collapse of the Soviet Union as a disaster,” Bowman says. “We know he resents the success of NATO. We know that he genuinely reviles the expansion of NATO eastward. We know that he has an eye on history, he's getting older, he is mindful of how he's going to look in history books and he sees himself as kind of a neo-czar who would like to reconstitute as much of the Soviet Union as possible.”"

 

You will claim that no matter what.

I think only the hard core base are buying into the victim card approach.

Maybe Haley and Manchin should team up.

Its not too late, and EU just announced a massive delivery of artillery shells.

 

Yes. My opinion is that it is the only sensible thing for the DNC to do.

So does history. Every political prosecution has increased Trump's poll numbers.

How? Neither party will accept them. Third parties don't work, unfortunately. We are captive in our two party system.

It will take more than artillery shells at this point. Ukraine has lost a lot of soldiers. Artillery shells won't replace them. Massive deliveries might have succeeded 2 years ago but I believe it is clearly too late now.

 

Or.....maybe he'll stop down without DNC forcing it.

Of course, the victim card works on the base 100%, which is why they rely on it so much.

Its not only artillery shells. I'm not sure if the first F16s arrived yet, but Holland promised 18 more.

 

Like every politician, he will cling to power as long as he can.

I can't believe you actually do not see the political motivation behind all of these prosecutions. Amazing.

It is no longer about equipment. It is about people. Sorry.

 

Um....no, lot of politicians have stepped down.

Only Trump apologists see him as a victim every time he is asked to answer for his crimes,

 

Nevertheless you can't see it. Very amazing.

 

Sorry. I just don't find the never ending "Trump the victim" line believable.

 

Neither do I. But I understand the obvious political motivation behind the prosecutions. Unlike you I don't care about Trump. But I do care about seeing the justice system being used this way. That is an existential threat and I care about those. Supporting them is support for an existential threat.

 

Clearly you DO believe the "Trump the victim" line. You just proved it.

 

What I proved is that I oppose political prosecution. Any other conclusion is yours, not mine

 

He is a known con man and is facing he music in the courts, but you think its political prosecution because his name is Trump, and because he is your political leader and because he plays the victim card.

 

I doubt Navalny or Putin is very in touch with American politics and all the subtle differences between Trump and Biden. Their information would only be limited, based on superficial quick impressions they saw from the American media.

In the interview Tucker conducted with Putin, it was obvious Putin was out of touch with American politics, and wasn't sure exactly what was going on. You can only imagine how much more out of touch Navalny would be.