Neo-Nazi network in German army exposed

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  1. ThorInc

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    Wow, that's truly disturbing.
     
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    Since 1990 right-wing extremists have killed at least 75 people in Germany.
    The categorisation is not 100% clear and some authorities count cases that others put into a different category, but this is the lowest (!) number, some NGOs have counted 178 so far.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todesopfer_rechtsextremer_Gewalt_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland

    In March 2011 a guy from Kosovo shot two GIs in Frankfurt, these were the first victims of islamic terror in Germany.
    Add those twelve killed in Berlin last Christmas and you have 14.

    Perception and facts are often two very different things.
     
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    Try quoting something other than a website anyone can edit.


    BTW, your open source website missed these 7 Islamic attacks before March 2011.

    This is what happens when your political bias is so strong you aren't educated enough to put your faith in something other than an open source website.

    2010.03.26 Germany Berlin 0 3 Two Jewish women and a man are brutally beaten after their identity is confirmed by Muslim attackers.

    2010.02.03 Germany Northrhein-Westphalia 1 0 A mother of four is beheaded and then has her fingers cut off in a suspected 'honor' attack by her husband.


    2009.07.20 Germany Munich 1 0 A Muslim man stabs his ex-wife to death 'in the name of the Qur'an' for being in a relationship.

    2009.06.24 Germany Schweinfurt 1 0 A 15-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her father over her Western lifestyle.

    2009.03.02 Germany Rees 1 0 A 20-year-old girl is clubbed to death by her brother for having sex.

    2008.08.12 Germany Ruesselsheim 1 0 A 55-year-old woman is shot to death in an honor attack involving two Muslim groups.

    2008.05.15 Germany Hamburg 1 0 A 16-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her brother in an honor killing prompted by her 'Western lifestyle.'

    2008.02.28 Germany Odenwald 3 0 Muslims ask three innocent Christians to identify their religion, then brutally execute them.

    2005.02.07 Germany Berlin 1 0 A 23-year-old woman is killed by her youngest brother at a bus stop because she 'dishonored' the family by refusing to marry her cousin.


    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/europe-attacks.aspx

    Here's a real website listing the latest terrorist attacks in Germany. Hint: Not a single one is by a white group.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...iled-plots-Threat-Security-Islamic-State-ISIS

    There were 7 Islamic terrorist attacks in Germany this year alone aside from the murders, assaults and rapes of local German citizens.

    Now please, stop being a Muslim terrorist apologist and see the world for what it actually is.
     
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    Nope I'm calling you what you are. A Muslim apologist.

    Your actions dictate your label. You have no evidence these people are Neo Nazis much less your tin foil hat conspiracy that they are in bed with him.
     
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    It's absolutely not significant in any way that some woman is killed in a case of "honor". Good lord. Domestic violence is all over the place all over the world. Get real.

    It is far more significant that these nazi's were out to execute politicians in order to have an entire country governed differently.
     
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    1. I'm not a Muslim terror apologist. You know nothing about me and only seem to drown in your prejudice.
    2. You talked about people killed in Germany by islamic terrorists. A father killing his daughter because of her western lifestyle is barbaric, but has nothing to do with islamic terror. Stick to the topic.
    3. You'll have to do a lot better than those sources you quoted, you don't seem to be familiar with how reliable or trustworthy they are. express.co.uk is a "real" website? Sure, for those ignorant enough to believe what they feed their readers.
    4. For some silly reason you seem to think I rely on wiki only based on the fact that I used one (one!) link to wiki.
    5. Putting everything that includes a Muslim into one gigantic pot and calling it "islamic terror" is pretty idiotic IMO.
    Btw, those websites like religionofpeace have nothing to do with half-way objective journalism.
    6. Those honour killings are Muslims killing Muslims. As barbaric as it is, has nothing to do with islamic terrorists killing Germans.
    7. Fact is, right-wing extremsist have killed many more people in Germany than islamic terrorists.
    8. Please spare me this typical American black-and-white-left-and-right thinking. It's utterly preposterous.

    Better links? Here:
    https://www.mut-gegen-rechte-gewalt...tsextremer-und-rassistischer-gewalt-seit-1990
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130628041840/http://www.opferperspektive.de/Chronologie/474.html
    Foreign language skills needed.

    How the world really is?
    I live in Germany, I know of pretty much all those attacks. When did you last visit this place? Have you ever visited Germany? How many times have you visited Germany?
    You have "sources" like express.co.uk (might want to add Breitbart and Gatestone to that list) and religionofpeace and your perception of what you think the "truth" is based on bits and pieces you've read, that's all.
     
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    they all should go to prison for life
     
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    You can say that all that you want. But they are still flung in to the right wing corner because of the ultra conservative and nationalistic theme.
     
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    by European political standards, Nazis were right-wing

    European right-left paradigm is different than American right-left paradigm
     
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    So you are saying the socialists are right wing in the EU?
     
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    No they are decidedly left wing for their socialist agenda.
     
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    The Nazis were antiliberal, antimarxist, highly antisemetic, extremely nationalistic and according to many historians (Heinrich August Winkler, Wolfgang Benz, Michael Kohlstruck, Hans-Ulrich Thamer) probably the most extreme right-wing party ever.
    They had the word "Sozialismus" in their name, but concluding they were socialists in today's sense is highly inaccurate.
    The name was deliberately chosen to attract voters from different social groups, among them especially working class people. In his early speeches, Hitler often stressed the idea of collectivism of working class people and how he used to be one of them.
    The NSDAP had bits and pieces of German socialism in their programme (e.g. point 13, 14 & 20 of their 25 point programme), but this had little to do with international socialism. Theirs was based on exclusion of everything non-German, persecution, extinction, anti-immigration, and had a strong racial ('German blood') ideology to it. I have yet to find a historian who would support the claim that the nazi party was left.
     
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    I dont deny the socialist agenda. But that is just a joke of an agenda. I can not say Hitler had idea's about its economy that were close to communism. In fact, the fist people he dragged to concentration camps were communists. While it still is an ultra right wing theme of authoritarian racist view hence the bulk places those peeps in the right wing corner.
     
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    Now why did I predict this shutting down of alternative views and shaming others? Because it was predictable, and because I predicted everything that happened up to the date. The only thing I didn't predict was Donald Trump. Whose existence(and resistance thereof) will only force the West's civil political infighting several years earlier than I had predicted.
     
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    scumbags should all rot in prison
     
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    Actually you are and you proved it in this response.

    Are you kidding? I can read you like a book. The pseudo intellectual in Europe pretending you are so much smarter than everyone else blaming "far right" and demonizing conservative websites telling the truth about Islamic terrorism. If anything you are even easier to read than I thought.

    And the apologies have already begun. If you kill in the name of Islam you are inciting terror for those who would disobey their teachings like this poor girl did. There isn't a better example of Islamic terror. Instilling fear in anyone that dares not to follow the teachings in the Qur'an. You really should educate yourself.

    And look at all the examples you cited of them being wrong. Oh wait, you provided none like a typical liberal you think your opinion is fact. I got news for you, its not. And I can't wait for you to show us all where each of the terrorist attacks they cite did not happen. Go ahead. You know you can't because for you the accusation is all that matters not factual support of your BS claims.

    It was your only source Genius.

    Exactly as how a Muslim apologist would answer. Have you read the Qur'an? Do you even know what it says? How about the history of Islam? Do I need to educate you on that as well? I bet you think the Crusades weren't a reaction to any Muslim aggression like a typical liberal does because they also don't have a clue about history.

    Then I can't wait for you to disprove every one of those events didn't happen. And you think I don't know you? You are answering exactly as every other liberal Muslim apologist does. You attack the source without a shred of evidence and ignore the facts presented. You aren't that complicated.

    So none of those victims were Germans? Can't wait for you to prove that too. Of course you will run away from this challenge as well.

    You haven't provided a single attack backing you up. Not one. Where is the documented evidence?

    And typically you are back to the pseudo intellectual European false attitude that you are somehow smarter because you don't see the world as it actually is rather the way you would wish it to be. The reason your country is in the toilet right now is because you see only in grey.

    Then provide a translated link. You don't get to hide behind another language and think it proves your case.

    You need what I have already provided. Documented events of this so called right wing terrorism killings with dates and events. Time to put up or shut up.

    Yes. How the world really is. You obviously don't have a clue if you think right wingers are the enemy of Germany.

    LOL Sure you do.

    3 times. Last was last fall. Both my godparents teach in Germany and are fluent in German. My best friend's wife is from Germany and her family is still there. Did you actually think that you help your argument? Some unsupported claims of your personal life? Please.

    And we are back to attacking the sources without a shred of evidence. How painfully predictable.

    You haven't provided a single attack of any kind to back up your BS claim. Not one. I have documented each attack with where when and the number of dead.

    Come back when your narcissism can take a break and you can actually back up your BS claims with documented murders by right wingers in Germany.

    Until then you are exactly as you have presented yourself here. All talk and no factual backing.
     
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    Shall I for the luls educate you about the Christian faith. They spread all over the globe through massive warfare and oppressing and rooting out other faiths. It currently is still the biggest faith. And it has nothing to do with it being any reaction to Muslims.

    Well, the OP puts it how it is. Doesn't it. I mean. Terror attacks by Muslims are nasty. But they as good as by default are aimed at the average joe the plumber. These nazi's want to kill politicians in order to take over the country. Just like Breivik did. The impact of that is a heck of a lot larger than killing a joe the plumber.
     
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    Cognitive dissonance is very strong. This is so far away from reality that one can only shake one's head ('hide behind a foreign language').
    I've read a lot of completely irrational BS on this board, this has got to be among the most stupid and out of touch with reality nonsense in a long time. There's no limit to some people's blind ignorance. You haven't provided anything with any substance whatsoever only claims with highly unreliable sources and lots of incredibly stupid prejudices. Attacking your sources is not acceptable, but attacking my sources is; that - and many other things in that ludicrous post of yours - is double standard at its best. I'm not quite sure why you, sitting behind your computer some 6000 miles away, think you know better, but I'm sure in your head it makes sense.

    Country in the toilet? Far away from the truth, but I won't discuss that here with someone like you. You should seriously look for better sources. OMG, Yanks (Trump supporter, I assume), nothing more to say.
    You want single attacks? I know that this is useless, but since opening a link proved to be too complicated, here (sorry for 'hiding' behind a foreign language, but I'm sure some of those relatives could help, if not, there's google translate).
    Every name in bold is at least one person (sometimes more than one) killed by right-wing extremists, victims are non-Germans and Germans. This list was researched by Tagesspiegel, Zeit, and Zeit online and compared to what the Bundestag has categorised as right-wing violence. This conversation is now over, you seriously know nothing about this, not surprising.
    http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/...49-todesopfer-rechter-gewalt/1934424-all.html

    1990
    Der Pole Andrzej Fratczak wird am Abend des 7.Oktober 1990 vor einer Diskothek in Lübbenau (Brandenburg) bei einem Angriff von drei jungen Deutschen verprügelt und durch einen Messerstich tödlich verletzt. Polizei und Staatsanwaltschaft können jedoch nicht ermitteln, welcher der drei Schläger für den Tod des Polen verantwortlich ist.

    Der Angolaner Amadeu Antonio Kiowa wird in der Nacht zum 25.November 1990 in Eberswalde (Brandenburg) zu Tode geprügelt. Ungefähr 60 Rechtsextremisten fallen mit Knüppeln und Messern über Afrikaner vor einem Gasthof her. Während mehrere teils schwer verletzt flüchten können, erwacht der 28-jährige Antonio nicht mehr aus dem Koma und stirbt elf Tage später.

    Drei Skinheads schlagen in der Nacht zum 11.Dezember 1990 in einer Wohnung in Berlin-Lichtenberg derart brutal auf den 24-jährigen Klaus-Dieter R. ein, dass dieser sich in Panik aus einem Zimmerfenster zehn Stockwerke tief in den Tod stürzt.

    Der 17 Jahre alte Kurde Nihad Yusufoglu wird am 28.Dezember 1990 in der Kleinstadt Hachenburg (Rheinland-Pfalz) von einem gleich
    alten Skinhead durch einen gezielten Messerstich ins Herz getötet. Nach Angaben der Staatsanwaltschaft Koblenz gehörte der Täter zum Umfeld der rechtsextremen Gruppierung "Taunusfront".

    Ein angetrunkener jugendlicher Skinhead schlägt in der Silvesternacht 1990 in Flensburg einen 31 Jahre alten Obdachlosen zusammen und tritt auf den Wehrlosen danach noch mit seinen Stiefeln ein. Sechs Tage später stirbt der Schwerverletzte an den Folgen der Misshandlung. Weil das Opfer entgegen dem Rat der Ärzte vorzeitig das Krankenhaus verlassen hat, wird der inzwischen 21 Jahre alte Täter am 20.April 1993 vom Landgericht Flensburg lediglich wegen gefährlicher Körperverletzung zu drei Jahren und neun Monaten Gefängnis verurteilt, wobei das Urteil zusätzlich mehrere kleinere Diebstahldelikte und Raub berücksichtigt.

    Der 21-jährige Bundeswehrsoldat Alexander Selchow wird in der Silvesternacht 1990 in Rosdorf (Niedersachsen) von zwei 18-jährigen Skinheads niedergestochen, die beide der rechtsextremistischen FAP (Freiheitliche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) angehören. Alexander Selchow stirbt an den Folgen mehrerer Messerstiche. Das Landgericht Göttingen verurteilt den Messerstecher wegen gefährlicher Körperverletzung mit Todesfolge zu sechs Jahren Jugendstrafe.


    1991

    Der 28-jährige Mosambikaner Jorge Gomondai stürzt am 31.März 1991 in Dresden aus einer fahrenden Straßenbahn und zieht sich tödliche Kopfverletzungen zu. Vor Gericht kann nicht geklärt werden, ob der Schlachthofarbeiter von Skinheads aus der Straßenbahn gestoßen wurde oder aus Angst vor der aggressiven Meute aus der Tür sprang. Das Landgericht Dresden verurteilt einen der Beteiligten am 29. Oktober 1993 wegen fahrlässiger Tötung zu einer Freiheitsstrafe von zweieinhalb Jahren ohne Bewährung.

    Der 23-jährige Matthias Knabe wird am 8. Mai 1991 bei Gifhorn (Niedersachsen) von fünfzehn Skinheads angegriffen. Anschließend treiben sie den Punk zur Bundesstraße 4. Dort wird er von einem Auto angefahren und erleidet schwere Hirnverletzungen, an denen er am 4. März 1992 stirbt. Das Landgericht Hildesheim verurteilt im November 1992 den 18jährigen Christian B. wegen Beteiligung an einer Schlägerei und fahrlässiger Tötung zu zwei Jahren Haft.

    Am 4. Juni 1991 wird der 39-jährige Obdachlose Helmut Leja in Kästorf (Niedersachsen) von einem 17-jährigen Jugendlichen in einem Waldstück erstochen. Der Angreifer gehört laut Innenministerium der örtlichen Skinheadszene an und bezeichnet Leja als "Abschaum". Am 23. Dezember 1991 verurteilt die 9.Große Strafkammer des Landgerichts Hildesheim den 17-Jährigen zu einer sechsjährigen Jugendstrafe wegen Totschlags.

    Der Angolaner Agostinho Comboio wird in der Nacht zum 16.Juni 1991 in Friedrichshafen (Baden-Württemberg) von einem Rechtsextremisten verprügelt und erstochen. Der Täter wird laut Landgericht Ravensburg nach dem Verbrechen in der rechten Szene als "Held von Friedrichshafen" gefeiert. Das Gericht verurteilt den Neonazi wegen Totschlags zu fünf Jahren Haft.

    Der 30 Jahre alte Gerd Himmstädt stirbt am 3. Dezember 1991 an einer Hirnblutung. Sieben Jugendliche hatten den 30-Jährigen drei Tage zuvor in Hohenselchow (Brandenburg) mit Baseball-Schlägern verprügelt. Das Opfer galt den Rechten als "Automaten-Knacker". Die Täter gehören nach eigenen Angaben "dem harten Kern der rechten Szene an". Das Landgericht Frankfurt (Oder) verurteilt am 27.Oktober 1992 den Haupttäter Sven B. wegen Totschlags zu siebeneinhalb Jahren Haft. Die anderen erhalten Bewährungsstrafen zwischen sechs Monaten und einem Jahr und vier Monaten.

    Der 29-jährige Timo Kählke wird am 12. Dezember 1991 in Meuro (Brandenburg) bei einem Überfall erschossen. Sowohl der 20 Jahre alte Mörder wie auch die drei Mittäter im Alter zwischen 20 und 29 Jahren gehören zur Wehrsportgruppe "I. Werwolf-Jagdeinheit Senftenberg". Die Neonazis wollten Kählkes Auto rauben, weil sie das Fahrzeug für den geplanten Überfall auf ein Spielcasino brauchten. Als Kählke sich wehrt, wird er umgebracht. Das Landgericht Cottbus verurteilt den Haupttäter wegen Mordes zu neun Jahren Jugendstrafe.


    Let's keep it a bit shorter (additional info in the link).
    1992
    Eine dreiköpfige Familie aus Sri Lanka stirbt am 31. Januar 1992 in ihrer brennenden Flüchtlingsunterkunft in Lampertheim/Bergstraße.
    Der Rumäne Dragomir Christinel wird am 15. März 1992 in einem Asylbewerberheim bei einem Angriff einer 25-köpfigen Gruppe deutscher Jugendlicher in Saal (bei Rostock) zu Tode geprügelt.
    Der 53-jährige Seemann Gustav Schneeclaus wird am 18.März 1992 in Buxtehude von Skinheads so schwer misshandelt, dass er an den Folgen der Verletzungen stirbt.
    Der 31-jährige Obdachlose Ingo Finnern wird am 19. März 1992 von einem Skinhead in das Becken des Flensburger Hafens gestoßen und ertrinkt.
    Der 29-jährige Vietnamese Nguyen Van Tu stirbt am 24. April 1992 in Berlin durch einen Messerstich in die Lunge. Der 21-jährige Täter gibt an, der rechtsextremen DVU nahe zu stehen.
    Der 23-jährige Thorsten Lamprecht wird am 9. Mai 1992 bei einem Überfall von etwa 60 Skinheads auf eine Punk-Fete in dem Magdeburger Lokal "Elbterrassen" mit einem Baseballschläger getötet.
    Der Obdachlose Emil Wendtland wird am 1. Juli 1992 im Rosengarten in Neuruppin erstochen. Drei Skinheads verabredeten sich zum "Penner klatschen" und stießen auf den 50-Jährigen. Nachdem sie ihn zusammengeschlagen haben, sticht einer der Angreifer mit einem Messer auf den Wehrlosen ein.
    Der 56-jährige Kosovo-Albaner Sadri Berisha wird am 8.Juli 1992 mit einem Baseballschläger erschlagen, als sieben Skinheads seine Unterkunft in Ostfildern-Kemnat bei Stuttgart stürmen. Das Motiv der Täter, die sich vorher Hitler-Reden vom Band angehört haben, lautet: "Polacken klatschen".
    Der 49-jährige Obdachlose Dieter Klaus Klein wird in der Nacht zum 1.August 1992 im Park von Bad Breisig (Rheinland-Pfalz) von zwei Skinheads zusammengetreten und danach mit einem Kampfmesser niedergestochen.
    Der Pole Ireneusz Szyderski stirbt am 3. August 1992 nach einem Besuch in einem Discozelt in Stotternheim/Thüringen. Als der 24-jährige Erntehelfer mit Freunden das Gelände über einen Zaun verlassen will, treten und schlagen drei Ordner, die laut Staatsanwaltschaft Erfurt der Skinheadszene angehören, auf ihn ein.
    Der 35-jährige Obdachlose Frank Bönisch stirbt am 24.August 1992 auf dem Zentralplatz in Koblenz, als der damals 23-jährige Skinhead Andy Johann H. (Szenename: "Der deutsche Andy") das ganze Magazin einer großkalibrigen "Smith & Wesson" auf eine Gruppe von Punks, Obdachlosen und Drogenabhängigen abfeuert.
    Der 58-jährige Obdachlose Günter Schwannecke wird am 29.August 1992 nachts auf einer Parkbank in Berlin-Charlottenburg von einem Ku-Klux-Klan-Anhänger zusammengeschlagen. Der 22-jährige Skinhead hatte mit einem Freund zuvor Ausländer bedroht und dann nach einem kurzen Wortwechsel mit seinem Baseballschläger auf den betrunkenen Schwannecke und einen weiteren Obdachlosen eingeschlagen.
    Bei einem Überfall von Neonazis auf ein Lokal in Geierswalde (Sachsen) in der Nacht zum 11.Oktober 1992 wird die Aushilfskellnerin Waltraud Scheffler so schwer verletzt, dass sie 13 Tage später stirbt.
    Der 52-jähriger Obdachlose Rolf Schulze wird am 7.November 1992 bei Lehnin (Brandenburg) von zwei Skinheads getreten, mit Fäusten traktiert, mit einer Propangasflasche geschlagen und mehrmals im Kölpinsee untergetaucht. Später übergießen die Täter die Leiche mit Benzin und zünden sie an.
    Der 53 Jahre alte Metzger Karl-Hans Rohn wird am 13.November 1992 in Wuppertal (Nordrhein-Westfalen) von zwei Rechtsextremisten geschlagen, angezündet und erstickt.
    Die Türkinnen Bahide Arslan (51), Ayse Yilmaz (14) und Yeliz Arslan (10) sterben am 22. November 1992 in Mölln bei einem Brandanschlag auf das Haus, in dem sie leben. Das Oberlandesgericht Schleswig spricht den 25-jährigen Rechtsextremisten Michael Peters und seinen 19 Jahre alten Kumpan Lars Christiansen am 8.Dezember 1993 des dreifachen Mordes in Tateinheit mit versuchtem Mord an sieben Menschen für schuldig.
    Der 51 Jahre alte Hans-Jochen Lommatsch wird am 18. Dezember 1992 in Oranienburg erschlagen. Der Baumaschinist wollte vor dem Schlafengehen nach seinem neuen Auto gucken. Auf dem Parkplatz trifft er auf zwei Skinheads aus der rechten Szene, die ihn "grundlos" angreifen, wie das Bezirksgericht Potsdam feststellt.
    Der Türke Sahin Calisir stirbt am frühen Morgen des 27. Dezember 1992 auf der Autobahn 57 bei Meerbusch (Nordrhein-Westfalen). Sein Wagen ist zuvor von Klaus E., einem polizeibekannten rechten Hooligan aus Solingen, verfolgt und gerammt worden.


    Let's make this even shorter, the link provides detailed info (sorry for 'hiding' behind a foreign language).
    Some more examples.
    1993
    Karl Sidon (45)
    Mike Zerna (22)
    Mustafa Demiral (56)
    Hans-Peter Zarse (18
    Matthias Lüders (23)
    Belaid Baylal (42)
    Jeff Dominiak (25)
    Gürcün Ince (27), Hatice Genc (18, Gülüstan Öztürk (12), Hülya Genc (9), Samine Genc (4)
    Horst Hennersdorf (37)
    Hans-Georg Jakobson (35)
    Kolong Jamba (19)
    .
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    .
    2005
    Thomas Schulz (31)
    Ismail Yaşar (50)
    Theodorus Boulgarides (51)
    Tim Maier (20)
    .
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    .
    2008
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    Well said! It's about time someone said it.
     
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    Your head is buried not mine. Putin is an enemy of the US. That's what Trump worked with, neo nazi sympathiser type rhetoric through fear mongering.
     
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    For Righty, especially the very right-wing righties, every organization with uniforms and strict / clear Hierarchy is like the light that attracts moths.... and this is everywhere in the world given.
    In the German military there is the "MAD", which is comparable to the military intelligence of the USA, and whose tasks are also to keep harmful elements from accessing the German armed forces.
    In the case of the German officer mentioned here, the MAD has kept a deep deep sleep and all eyes closed, which is a scandal and this is not new and the first time ... and the reason why MAD is synonymous with the English term "mad"!
    In Germany the soldier is regarded as a citizen in uniform, and just since conscription has been suspended, and the armed forces are only made up of volunteers, one has to pay particular attention to the fact that they do not develop into the pool of the right-wing radicals.
    This is, on the one hand, the task of the MAD, but also the superior of soldiers. For a long time, the focus was only on the left radicals, because of spies for the KGB, but when was the Cold War over? This change to be directed against all political extremists alike was overshadowed by the leadership.
     
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    Same problems as in the USA and elsewhere. If the state services responsible for such things are sleeping and not working proper, then such things do happen!
    Remember how the 9/11 attackers could enter the USA, could make a pilot license in the USA even they were suspicious for all services (NSA, FBI and CIA), but no one spoke with each other and so the knowledge of A which is important for B to make the necessary steps to arrest the scum was not shared. Result: 9/11!
    Such things happen in other countries too...
     

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