New visa requirements for Americans going to EU.

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  1. Pipette8

    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

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    In March of this year, the EU passed a law that will require Americans to have a visa before travelling to Europe. Supposedly this is 'retaliation' for the US not giving visa- free travel to several countries: Poland, Cyprus, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria: The fact that the Polish need a visa to travel to US is very odd. Why Poland? Why any of these countries? Poland is almost entirely a Christian country, as is Croatia. Romani is almost entirely Eastern Orthodox, as is Cyprus. None of these countries are known for incubating terrorists. So what's up with this?

    People applying for visas to travel to US are required to list their social media handles for the last five years. Will the EU require the same of Americans? The EU plans to check your criminal and credit history, and most likely your social media use. With all the censorship of 'hate speech' in the EU, it almost goes without saying that they will check social media use; and since only speech that offends liberals and immigrants is considered hate speech, most of those denied entry to the EU due to social media posts will be right-leaning, and antiglobalist.

    Curiosly, the EU grants visa-free travel for Central Americans—Honduras, El Salvador, etc. At the same time, the EU has ordered EU countries to accept illegal immigrants. Millions of them have crossed international and national borders without a shred of documentation. They have no credit history, criminal history, etc.

    I see this as a possible, potential travel ban of people on the right.
     
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    With friends like the EU, who needs enemies?
     
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  3. Reality

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    Its a tourist visa requirement. Calm down
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    But the hypocrisy is rich, isn't it? Far left EU can restrict travel, but if we do it we're Adolf Hitler and evil Trumpsters.
     
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    I don't begrudge any country or countries putting requirements in place to monitor those that come in and leave their territories.
     
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    Meh... I will change my travel plans from going to Italy and Greece to an Alaskan cruise. I was on the fence, so if they don't want my money, I can make it easy on them and me. :cool:
     
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    I dunno, italy is pretty awesome.

    but an alaskan cruise has been on my bucket list for some time, right behind seeing the fjords, we just booked a fjord cruise for next may, can't wait.

    I don't have an issue with visa requirements, that's fine with me, but they will find my social media pretty boring, I haven't posted anything except one happy birthday wish in the past year or so.
     
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    What this really has to do with is massive amounts of immigration to both areas.

    Let's face it, Europeans have no problem with Americans coming to visit, and Americans have no problem with Europeans coming to visit, but a huge segment of the population now in both areas comes from other parts of the world.

    America was very concerned continuing being open to visitors from Europe would effectively open them up to people from the Middle East.
    I was on another forum a few years ago and several Europeans commented they were not surprised America had recently enacted visa requirements for European tourists, because of all the huge amounts of refugees Europe had taken in (mostly from Africa and the Middle East).
     
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    There seems to be much confusion, no - the EU is not and will not be requiring US citizens to have a visa to travel to the EU (Schengen Area - 26 EU nations, including Great Britain). The EU is implementing their ETIAS system which is a pre-entry system designed for citizens from nations who do not need visas to visit. Implementation isn't until 2021, will take about 10 minutes online and cost about $8.00. It is pretty much the same as what the US currently requires with the ESTA system (since 2009) where visitors to the US from many visa waiver (no visa required) nations already do this - including visitors from EU nations. Their cost is $14.00.

    So no - Americans will NOT be required to have visas to visit EU nations.....honestly, where does all this nonsense about Americans requiring visas to visit EU nations come from. For those thinking of scrapping their European cruises, do you seriously want to cancel trips of a lifetime based on a lie that you believed without even checking?
     
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    Well they're doing it in response to us doing it so..... that's the sort of rhetoric I'd expect from a retaliatory measure
     
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    I really have to wonder where some of our 'merican friends get their info from.
    Not even a dozen comments and already so much factually wrong, esp in the OP, that one wouldn't know where to start.
    Why not simply try accurate sources? It's not that complicated.
     
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    So, you have to get a visa. Just like almost every other destination on earth. Oh well. Of course, that would also indicate that all EU folks would also have to obtain a travel visa to the US... why not? Might keep the bad fish out...
     
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    So, let me get this straight....the far righters on this thread are mad that the EU is now requiring visas for Americans, even though the US has been requiring visas for most european countries for years now.
     
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    Not mad, we're just saying lol.
     
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    Many are now boycotting trips to europe because they are angry that europe has the gull to have the same rules in place for Americans as America has for them.
     
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    Hey, that's their prerogative, I personally have no qualms with having a visa stamp approval, other than to say: It's hypocritical to blast us for the same.
     
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    It is astonishing, isn't it......:D. Some folks are especially susceptible to fake news and blithely carry on believing, and repeating, utter nonsense..........as they so clearly demonstrate on this thread. ;)
     
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    LOL to you. The rest sounds..."triggered."
     
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    Beginning July 1, 2021, the rules will change. Visiting any of these Schengen-member countries for tourism, business, medical or transit will require approval from the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS)—which will be considered an additional check on security rather than a visa.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/irenel...-what-u-s-citizens-need-to-know/#45f7f5901da4

    Its a visa for all intents and purposes.
     
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    I believe I did mention that travelers from the EU do not have to have a visa unless they stay more than 90 days. Only the countries of Poland, Cyprus, Romania, and a few others have to have a visa any kind of travel to US.
    As of March 2019, the citizens of 60 non-European countries do not need a visa for short visits to a group of 26 European countries known as the “Schengen Area” (named after the town of Schengen, Luxembourg, where the 1985 agreement that formed the Schengen Area was signed).
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/europe-visa-etias/
    However, beginning in 2021 these non-Europeans will need to get what is essentially a visa before travelling to EU.
     
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    Why don't you correct some of this fake news for us then.
     
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    Call it what you will. It is essentially a visa and applicants for this "pre-entry" system will have their background and credit checked and most likely their social media accounts checked also. Since the EU is a globalist enterprise, I suspect that anyone not towing the globalist line, or who has made arguments against illegal immigrants will be 'tagged'. I DO NOT know this, I suspect this.
    Germany has in recent years intensified efforts to crack down on hate speech, amid a rise in anti-migrant sentiment that has been fueled in part by the ongoing refugee crisis.
    https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/30/15898386/germany-facebook-hate-speech-law-passed.
    Germany is being overrun by millions of young men who are claiming refugee status. Any speech arguing against this baffling policy is hate speech, and might be grounds for refusal to issue visas or "pre-entry" approval.
     
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    Man........I'm envious. Alaska is definitely on my bucket list. I don't give two ****s about going to Europe.:deadhorse:
     
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    Normally I would, especially for people whose "Google Machine" appears to be broken. Usually though, they're just to lazy to look up the facts for themselves and prefer to continuously spread fake news.
     
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    Umm no, it is not "essentially a visa" - that is fake news. It is pre-clearance, essentially the very same thing the US has been requiring from EU citizens (and others) since 2009. A big difference is price - the EU will only charge 7 Euros (($8.00) while the US charges $14.00. In your world, what the EU is implementing in 2021 might be "tagging" those who don't tow the "globalist line". This sounds so stupid and is absolute bullsh*t, just as is any claim the US system is tagging "globalists". Only the truly weak can be corrupted by ridiculous conspiracy theories and display willing ignorance of facts..........I'm not "calling it what I will" - I've called it what it is - a pre-clearance system, which isn't even remotely comparable to a visa, except for those who prefer fake news. To help you understand the difference, I've attached two links - the first describes the US system (ESTA) established in 2009 and the second describes the planned EU system (ETIAS) for 2021. I will warn you, these two sites contain real facts.......not disinformation, conspiracy theories etc.

    https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/

    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
     

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