New York legalizes really late term Abortion and celebrates like it's the Super Bowl

No, it's one of those UVVA cases....the Unborn Victims of Violence Act helps place heavier charges on anyone killing or harming a pregnant woman with resulting harm or death to her fetus.


IT DOES NOT CONFER PERSONHOOD ON A FETUS. It does not have the power to do that . It does not have the right to do that..

The fetus has no rights, it does have protections.


I wonder why that, before the predictable , """Then why does killing a pregnant women, result in double homicide?"""" Anti choicers DON'T LOOK UP THE REASON....

 

Let me give you one example. A woman has sex with a star athlete to try to get pregnant with his baby and ride the gravy train getting large monthly support payments. (Happens all the time in NBA basketball)
In the 7th month of pregnancy, let's say the athlete dies. The woman realizes the pregnancy will all be for naught, she's not getting any support payments, and she probably can't afford to keep the child.

In more common everyday occurrence, there are a lot of women out there who trick the man into getting pregnant so he will feel obliged to stay with her. What happens in such a situation when, late into the pregnancy, the man decides to run off and leave?
In many of these cases the woman may not reveal to the man she's pregnant until much later into the pregnancy, when she feels it will be too late for him to push her into an abortion. Well, if that tactic doesn't work, what's the woman going to be left to do?

They will just claim the mental health exception by claiming that the woman is depressed by the pregnancy and feels suicidal. It's already happened in several other states. By leaving the ill-defined words "women's health", it pretty much writes them a blank check to do as they please.

 

If it doesn't have rights, why does it deserve to have those high levels of protections?

Women's rights? Over what? Her body or the fetus?
If the fetus is not a person, the only logical argument that could be used to rationalize this is that she owns the fetus, that it is her property.

 

A lot of times in China they waited until the fetus was old enough to be able to see its gender on the ultrasound.
Then they aborted.

Usually this would probably have been at 16-18 weeks when the fetus and tiny genitals were big enough to be able to make out on poor resolution ultrasound machines (which probably were not the highest quality to begin with).

 

Ask those who created the protections...I didn't.

That's correct, the woman owns the fetus, as you've been told a hundred times.

 

So?

 

It proves that abortion at 16-18 weeks can be pretty common in other countries if women have a reason to.
(i.e. Abortion later into the pregnancy isn't always rare around the world)

Did you read Bowerbird's post I responded to?? No??

Maybe if I show her post here it will make more sense to you, since you obviously have trouble following the conversation:

 

Another cause of later-term abortions could be surrogacy disputes over custody/payment, with court litigation dragging on for many months.
In one recent case that comes to mind, the biological father sought to have the surrogate mom abort one of her triplets or face contractual penalty.

Sperm donor sues to force surrogate mother to abort one of her triplets

 

I accused you of dishonest hyperbole earlier that you did not address. Do I have to do that again? I did a google search of your claims and came up empty. Perhaps you can help me clear this up? Thank you.

 

I saw the documentary on Gosnell. It also revealed that PP sued to keep abortion facilities from being inspected. So much for women's health.

 

Again, so what? Did you have some point hidden there?

 

So how old was the fetus? What did the contract say?
No one can force a woman to do something illegal....if the fetus was over 23 weeks it would have been illegal no matter what their contract said.



I like collecting questions that you never answer so here's another:

You stated "" "In New York City, I wouldn't totally write off the possibility of a woman having an abortion for career reasons, like when a new job opportunity unexpectedly materializes and she decides maybe it's better to put off motherhood for another few years.""


WHY did you single out New York? That really is an odd thing to do.....HOW are women different in New York???

 

At 24 weeks the fetus can feel pain and suffering. Anyone that waits till then to get an abortion is a horrible person period.

 

Or living in willful ignorance, which is often the case.
"It's not really a baby," they tell themselves.

Or here's another good one: "I don't want to bring a child into this world if..."

Between the platitudes and euphemisms, it's not that difficult to bring oneself to do the deed.

 

While I wait for you to back up your earlier statements before calling you dishonest I would like to quote you: "There comes a point (or an interval) where the rights of the fetus should fall somewhere in between no rights and the rights of an adult human being.
Even if the life of a fetus is worth less than the woman's reproductive choice, that still doesn't automatically mean there should be no restrictions on abortion."
Sounds a lot like you are pro-choice to me. I'm pro-choice with "restrictions" and honest about it.

 

HOW EXACTLY do YOU know what women tell themselves?

ANSWER: YOU DO NOT.



Are you ever going to answer why you think women in New York are somehow different from other women??

 

The law seems designed to have state courts interpret it to allow late-term abortions, while providing a veneer of appearance like there are protections for fetuses over 24 weeks.

Basically the law completely stripped personhood from anyone still in the womb, taking away protections from any other laws, and allows someone to perform a late-term abortion at any stage for "health" of the mother, yet also seems to contradict itself at one section classifying the killing of an unborn child over 24 weeks as a homicide.

(presumably there's an exception to abortion in the homicide law to which this refers, haven't checked)

This part doesn't seem to have any exceptions. Does that mean a woman at 26 weeks can also get an abortion?

Maybe like if she just found out about it and didn't have the opportunity to get an abortion before?
A judge would likely interpret the wording of the law as a 'yes' on this point.

Looks like they also have a segment that would prevent a woman from being punished for not having taken birth control when she gets an abortion.

Here's the meat of the law:

(bolding not in the actual text)

So this means a doctor is no longer required any more. And now they can perform an abortion any time after 24 weeks for "health" reasons, not just "life of the mother" as was the case before.

So if a woman wants to get a nose job or a tummy tuck, would that count as a "health" reason to get an abortion?
Under this law it plausibly could.

The wording "health" just opens up the door to all sorts of flimsy excuses.

 

Your hyperbolic suppositions seem not to be an issue in the other 43 states that have laws allowing late term abortions for the reasons of protecting a woman's life and health. Every law can be abused but that is no reason not to have them.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/overview-abortion-laws

 

So lets agree that its horrible and nothing to celebrate. Its still her uterus.

 

Let's make this a little more clear. Someone who is not a doctor can decide to do a late-term abortion if they think it is for "health reasons".
What could possibly go wrong?

 

Not just anyone can perform an abortion,

1. A HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER LICENSED, CERTIFIED, OR AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE EIGHT OF THE EDUCATION LAW, ACTING WITH IN HIS OR HER LAWFUL SCOPE OF PRACTICE, MAY PERFORM AN ABORTION WHEN,

 

The qualifications are a lot less stringent.

You can see the wording of the law is very loose.

 

That's just plain silly and has nothing to do with health reasons related to pregnancy and abortion.

 

You cannot cherry pick your way around the FACTS

1. A HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER LICENSED, CERTIFIED, OR AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE EIGHT OF THE EDUCATION LAW, ACTING WITH IN HIS OR HER LAWFUL SCOPE OF PRACTICE, MAY PERFORM AN ABORTION ...

 

And here we go again....a thread started , an OP thwarted because they can't answer questions pertinent to their OP......so soon another meaningless thread will be posted or an ancient one dug up and they will still have proved nothing and still won't be able to answer those INCONVENIENT questions.....