'No differences' between children of same-sex and opposite-sex parents

What ignorance and foolishness have I displayed?

And I've come to no conclusion.

 

Irrelevant gibberish!

 

By summarily dismissing all studies a bogus without actually familiarizing yourself with them. By stating that you would like to see "follow up studies" but not bothering to see if there are any, when in fact there are: https://www.nllfs.org/about/ and http://people.virginia.edu/~cjp/articles/pwInPress.pdf showing that your level of intellectual curiosity is limited.

 

Neither this nor anything else in your response answers the question, which was not whether, but why you find it superficially credible.

What the hell for?

 

It is in the best interests of children that all qualified adults who have the room in their hearts and homes to adopt a child are permitted to do so, and are treated fairly in the process. Every day, more and more LGBT people are adopting children who need a good and loving home, and you could be one of them.

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My words??!! I don't even know what that sentence means. It makes no sense.

 

"playing both sides the fence"

I understand gays have rights, in the US. I even understand why some people are sexually drawn to same sex partners, but totally disagree in PROMOTING what many feel is deviant behavior...Where would you suggest is the limit for societies acceptance of sexual attraction" and promotion, incest?

 

You're headed for 'ludicrous', and reasonable people have other things to do than go there with you.

Goodbye, jackson33.

 

Ah yes "both sides of the fence" That is what your doing. Claiming that you "have no problem" with gays but questioning whether they should have rights. It seems that you can't even see how contradictory that is. It appears that you are saying that because gays are not facing the death penalty in this country, they should be satisfied and not push for rights. BTW, gays and especially transgender people ARE KILLED in this country. Just not by the government.

I don't give a rats hind parts what anybody thinks is deviant. They/you can THINK whatever they want. You/They must however refrain from discrimination.

Where do you draw the line? Hell I don't know. Sexual norms and ideas about the family and child rearing are always evolving. However, you can't say that we should deny gays rights and discourage gay parents now, because of what might happen tomorrow.

 

Lets see, I have no right to discriminate because of my concern for young minds, that might be mislead during their learning years.....but you and others have the right to discriminate against those that feel as I do. In my mind, this shows me exactly what's wrong with all this PC nonsense.

You have actually rationalized my opinion, by indicating, in your mind, Gay Lifestyle and raising children are or have become acceptable via social evolvement. What I'm suggesting is that it has not passed to that level, or would not have, without people trying to be PC.

 

Rather than being concerned about young minds, I think that you need to be concerned about your own mind. Your mind is malfunctioning if it is telling you that by discriminating against gay people you are somehow protecting those young minds. Those young minds are a lot sharper than your mind, whatever age it is. The few remaining bigots are not going to shield them from the reality that LGBT people are among us and are functioning and contributing members of society. Those young minds know that they have nothing to fear from gay people no matter how hard you try to poison them. And lets not forget, some of those young mind are gay or transgender and your discrimination will only harm them and make life more difficult. So spare me your bogus and ill conceived concern for young minds. Pushing back against your bigotry is not "discriminating " against you. It is fighting for sanity and social justice. If you can't accept the fact that LGBT people are in fact being accepted by the majority of society, that their having and raising children has become the norm, and if you refuse to believe that no one is being harmed by that, it is your problem and no one else's .

 

As both an ideologue, and someone who is personally vested in the topic, you seem to be incapable of looking at any of these related issues objectively. That's understandable I suppose, and why I continue to engage even though science and logic are irrelevant to the topic for you. However if you go back the link I posted, it was about these irreproducible studies. You try to run this study with different researchers you are liable to get different results. But the specific issue you mentioned, that I want to see "follow up studies" was not about more studies of phone interviews with gay parents who have young children (if you can't see the problem with this methodology...), it was about what happens to these children when they become adults. Where are they at 25? At 30? At 35? That is what I was talking about.

 

Because given the current state of social science studies such as this (terrible and filled with irreproducible results), if you want to discuss a study you either use the results of the study as a starting point or you just dismiss the results all together. Now if I were an honest social scientist, I would merely dismiss the results, but as a internet forum commentator, I'm perfectly willing to engage on the topic.

 

Are you trying to tell me that if a child is doing well in their late teens after having been raised by gay parents to that point, they are going to fall apart emotionally at 25 or 30 BECAUSE they had gay parents? Are you serious? I do not recall you ever posting a link to anything

 

And you start with results rather than methodology because...?

 

Well I kind of think that should be the whole point of these studies. After all, how is the parent going to distinguish between normal teenage rebellion and deeper issues related to having two daddies or mommies? Answer, they can't, and even if they could, they wouldn't because it goes to their own since of identity. No parent wants to accept their choices have screwed up their kids. You see that in children of divorced parents, where there are decades of research showing their outcomes are far worse than kids in two parent homes. But a phone survey of the parents of those same kids would probably get a lot of "They're fine!"

 

Go back and read this thread. The advocates of this study don't care about methodology and won't be deterred by a flawed one. This is more ideology than science. It's results are the starting point of a discussion. but rigor of methods are a topic for objective researchers, not internet advocates.

 

And how do you even start a discussion on a topic so inflamed with cultural bias and religious dogma ???
Researchers can't be objective as they are prejudiced to start with.

You talk about "FLAWED" ????
HOW do you explain the abject failure of upper social strata young people, white males in particular, of privileged social classes that become Sociopaths and Psychopaths and serial rapists ?

First, you must explain why such young people from the have everything set, become alcoholics and drug abusers and feel they are so set upon, before you try to explain the problems of children of SSM families.

Children of any family makeup are going to have problems, and no psychologist ( Dr. Spock ) will be able to explain things, neither will any tidy cubby hole study be able to explain anything either.

 

I'm not sure you are asking a serious question. What percentage of "young people from the have everything set" are screw ups? Compared to young people from broken homes? I'm sure there are studies available somewhere.

 

So for the sake of having a discussion with morons, you ignore a component of the study that renders its results utterly worthless.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

In spite of how skewed your question is, from my own experiences, children from so called " broken homes" or alternative styled families are often better adjusted than those of privileged upbringing.

 

If you're going to say that same-sex parents are inferior, you have to support that claim.

The claim that there is no difference is supported by the lack of difference.

Just saying there could be isn't good enough.

 

OK Smiley, You know what? I can't find any long term longitudinal studies either that address the issue of how 30 year old adults who had same sex parents either and they probably don't exist because 25 or 30 years ago, there were very few same sex couples raising children .Furthermore,those that did exist were relegated to the shadows and treated poorly which no doubt would have had a detrimental effect on the children.

Going forward, I still contend that the emotional adjustment and academic performance of a teen ager is a pretty good indicator of how they will do later in life. I think that you know that but won't admit it just like you won't admit that overwhelming body of evidence that shows that those teenagers are doing fine is valid.

But, let's just say that we can show that these adult's of same sex parents do-by some criteria- less well in life. What are the implications for law and public policy? Will we discourage gay people from having children by- for instance not providing them with tax credits, or even prohibit them from having children altogether. Think carefully about your answer because if we are to take such a draconian step, you have to ask -what other groups should not have children. Consider this that I wrote a while back:

Think about! What are you suggesting or advocating and what is the point of continuing to question the suitability to be parents unless you are willing to promote the prohibition of adoption, the elimination of financial incentives to have children, or mass sterilization. How say you?

 

Yes but ultimately, your anecdotal personal experiences are not relevant to a discussion that depends on data.

 

Your assumption is "they're fine" and anyone who says differently has to prove it. That's why I was interested in follow up studies that cover adult outcomes.