'No differences' between children of same-sex and opposite-sex parents

Children born into a home with their married biological parents DO BETTER than children who are not. Seems silly to provide all these tax breaks and governmental entitlements to homosexuals because the kids don't fare worse. I don't mind government encouraging behavior that is beneficial to society. Silly to encourage behavior so that those who engage in that behavior can feel better about themselves.

 

You made three assertions:
Children do better with heterosexual parents
Children do better with biological parents
Children do better with married parents

Source?

 

Children do in fact benefit from having married parents:

However, when Dixon says "married parents" he means heterosexual married parents. He does not recognize the right of gays to marry or their value to society. He has said so repeatedly.

In Dixon's bizarre and cruel world, it is acceptable and justifiable to punish children who are in the care of gay people by denying them the opportunity to have the security and financial benefits of having two married parents who are both the legal guardian. And why? Because he disapproves of the parents sexuality. He clings to a false and debunked obsession with the need for children to have biological ties to both parents, as though that would be the case if gays could not marry and adopt children. It makes no sense at all.

 

You've decided, then, that what has been presented to date is at least superficially credible. Perhaps you'd like to explain why.

 

First of all not ALL children born into a home with their biological parents do BETTER than children who are not. I have known fathers who are alcoholics along with the mother, they would NOT do better in that home than other children.

Secondly, there are single parent homes are you suggesting that no tax breaks or government assistance should be provided to single mothers and fathers since they don't so called "fair better" than homes with both parents?

You really hate homosexuals and this is proven right here with your comments. Sad really that you have so much hate in you.

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Because along with this study I've actually WITNESSED children being raised in homes with gay parents. Unlike your bigoted view, mine is actually based in REALITY not some "Heritage family" bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

You mean when I say "Children born into a home with their married biological parents", that yes of course, most biological parents are heterosexual.

Well, there is the more than 67% of all new HIV cases they contribute to society

Nooooo its because I object to giving gays the opportunity while continuing to deny that opportunity to others. Equal rights involves treating people equally. Not special preferences for homosexuals because they are homosexuals. Revealing after all this time you are still clueless as to my arguments.

 

Freakin brilliant Einstein. I of course was referring to an average. On average, children born into a home with both their biological parents do better. Lower rates of poverty, juvenile delinquency, drug and alcohol abuse, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult. OBJECTIVE measures as opposed to surveys that ask lesbians how great they are as parents.

 

Some people here need to be reminded about the fact that this thread is about parenting by gay people and the outcomes for children. However, because those who are anti gay cannot come up with a credible and factual argument against gay parenting , they resort to equine excrement red herrings like "sexual morality" and HIV infection rates. That is pathetic.

I have posted considerable and conclusive evidence to show that kids are fine with same sex parents and benefit when those parents are allowed to marry. I have also shown that children are negatively affected when the parents are discriminated against. It is clear to me that the bigots don't care a whit about the kids and are quite willing to write them off as collateral damage in their mission to deny gays their rights. Shameful !! Now deal with the topic or shut up. You know who you are.

 

I challenge you to come up with just one study that directly compares children born to two biological -opposite sex parents with children who were born to a same sex couple where just one is the biological parent, (or placed with them for adoption at an early age) - and which looks at the criteria that you outlined above ( delinquency, drugs, pregnancy etc.) showing that the children with the same sex couples do worse. I DARE YOU. You can't do it because no one else has been able to including the state of Michigan which I documented above.

 

May I ask, why do so many ghetto born children never get out of the ghetto, if parental guidance is irrelevant??? Why do 3/4ths, or more, of children end up with the same political understanding of their parents??? Anything deemed normal, regardless public opinion, will be seen as acceptable by children and are easily convinced. I have no idea how many kid's I've talked with, that want to be what their parents were/are, in many ways.....

I really don't care what sexual fantasy people have, but to expose them to the young can't possibly be excused.

 

So your concerned that kids of gay parents will turn out gay? Can you provide some statistical evidence of that?

Are you saying that kids choose or are indoctrinated into a sexual orientation the way that they would chose a political philosophy? Evidence please.

Where has anyone said that parental guidance is not relevant?

Yes, kids of gay people who are gay or bisexual will for whatever reason may more readily "come out" rather than struggle with it and deny it. All the better. They will have an easier time as kids and be healthier adults.

What is you concern, really? Please don't say it's the perpetuation of the species. Don't even go there.

 

Well at least I know you aren't talking about me as Ive not made any arguments "against gay parenting"

I must of missed that evidence. Can you point to the evidence that shows kids benefit when their gay parents are allowed to marry? All Ive seen so far is the claim made that they do. Likely because they simply presume that any benefit to the child of living with their married biological parents will also be present in the case of married gay parents. AS IF the benefit of biological parents is the fact that they rub their genitals together.

 

Even without gay parents indoctrinating them, they'll get to the kids in school.

"Oral sex, masturbation and orgasms need to be taught in education. The only way to combat heterosexism and gender conformity is comprehensive sex education. Gender identity expression and sexual orientation are a spectrum and those opposed to homosexuality are stuck in a binary box that religion and family create" NEA spokeswoman Diane Schneider.

 

The fact that you can't read or learn is not my problem.

 

1-No, my evidence would be antidotal and no one is likely to publish otherwise, if they even knew, just to be called some name.

2.Kid's are always influenced by their parents, including both their families. It's natural.

3.You were raised by some on and influenced and you know it.....

4.Struggle with what, what turns you on changes several times during everyone's life. I just don't feel same sex couples can by example, guide the young minds in today's American society. I'm not sure gay's are by any stretch, healthier than straights.

5.No, no religious or concerns over furthering the human species...just to get off this PC stuff and some assumption all people should automatically accept any deviance from the accepted norm.

 

Well now, what on earth shall we do about the scourge of gay people raising children, being exposed to deviance and being indoctrinated into "the lifestyle"? Hey if Trump can deport 11 M immigrants, maybe you can get a President Cruz to remove the 2M or so kids who are being raised by a gay person or couple and find a loving hetero couple for each and every one. I'm sure that a 3 year old who is bonded to his gay fathers or Lesbians mom's would adjust just fine since that hetero environment will be so much better. Wadayathink old sport?

 

I'll agree, some parents are not capable of teaching their kids about sex, what's being suggested, but I have trouble thinking some teacher or often that persons feelings, is the answer. Maybe "Sunday School" would work or special classes designed too with parental consent.

Here is the rest of that article, in case anybody is interested....

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/schools-need-to-teach-about-orgasms-says-us-teachers-union-to-un

 

Your question is largely irrelevant. Not only that, there are so many stories of kids from the "ghetto" getting out of the same... it's somewhat inspirational overall.

But really, are YOU comparing THAT to a person's sexual-orientation? Well, if you are... there is all likelihood that you are running headlong into 'false equivalency'. BTW, that kind of faulty comparison about this isn't uncommon.

More straw-man building there; I suspect you cannot or will not see that.

Why "deem" it 'abnormal, as you are obviously suggesting above?

Well damn... who doesn't realize that? Even so... trying to sell the notion that same-sex parents is some bad/wrong thing, is based upon your own PROGRAMMING and BIAS. That's what you're basing your commentary on here. I understand that it's not for YOU, or not what YOU are about (per se)... but you cannot (and people won't generally allow you to) suggest that ALL other families must be modeled/formed to the paradigms you prefer or believe are appropriate. And it would be faulty for you to expect/demand otherwise; that simply wouldn't be reasonable nor realistic.

And SCORES of people "don't care" what you think/believe is a "sexual fantasy". If you're obsessed with 'that' in others, it is just about time to reconsider how healthy or normal that is where it concerns yourself.

Same sex parents are fine. That YOU cannot or will not buy that, just means your mental views are different... not necessarily the only 'right' ones.

 

I have no problem with SSM or SSM couples raising children. None. Rather, when someone claims a study proves a point then the issue is the validity and methodology of the study, not whether I like or agree with what is claimed proven. I was pointing out shortcomings and issues with the study itself, nothing else.

I do not know any male couples who are raising a child but have no problem with it. I do think there are aspects to birth-mother maternalism that do exist, but that does not mean I oppose adoption.

 

Better yet, I'd love to see the literal numbers of gay kids born of 'straight' parents. (Considering that the total population of gays in the world is less than 10% [broadly speaking]... a heck of a LOT of HETEROSEXUAL PEOPLE are having or raising gay people.)

This nonsense about gay parents leading to gay kids... is STUPID. And really, what's the problem with being 'gay' anyway?!!

If he even comes close to supporting that 'credibly'... it would be worth trying to call a press conference with any/every viable news outlet that could be alerted to such 'findings'. LOL!!

Exactly. No one has said/suggested that.

And some people, will toss out ANY straw-man or untruth they might... just to paint a negative portrait of homosexuality, homosexual people or anything associated with LGBT.

You NAILED it!! But clearly enough (still) there are those who fear/hate homosexuality enough, to not want that. I have just about ZERO tolerance for those people and their views at this point, because they generally CHOOSE to remain ignorant or cling irrationally to some set of 'beliefs'.

Most people don't need an excuse for their bias and/or irrational animus.

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Amen and LOL!!!

 

OK. Great. No problem. But I do stand by my contention that the evidence supporting gay parenting is valid and that the studies that say otherwise are bogus.

 

That's not my view you are agreeing with, indoctrination isn't teaching, but would agree most parents aren't capable of teaching sex education as you, Diane Schneider and the NEA view that topic.

 

"What has been presented to date"

Could you be more specific?

 

I don't think it's irrelevant and why I promote urban renewal, school choice and a dozen other things.

Sexual orientation (a usually general or lasting direction of thought, inclination, or interest). Yes, I am comparing sexual orientation, to any emotional feeling, not necessarily in any ghetto, but in parent and child relationships.

Keep in mind, I don't oppose two or three guy's shacked up doing their thing, I just don't think that life style deserves creditability and certainly would advise against it, unless no female turns them on. If a child has seen a couple as 2 men or women, before puberty, then IMO he/she is more likely to be excited by a same sex partner. The same would be true for many other fantasies, including breast size, foot fetish.

As I've said, same sex couples are fine with me. I just don't see the reasons they are given some rights, adoptions being one....Even then if a parent changes his/her orientation, moves in with a same sex partner, that become that persons problem.