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Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...Continued...

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by onalandline, Mar 10, 2012.

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  1. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    Sure, as soon as you stop misusing the Second Amendment.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 27, 2012
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  2. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's your problem with one utilizing their right to self protection with a firearm?
     
    onalandline, Mar 28, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no SOLID evidence yet. One just has to look at his voting record in the past, his Administration, and then you can see the writing on the wall. We all know what he would like to happen. Unfortunately for him, there are too many that cherish their rights.
     
    onalandline, Mar 28, 2012
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Seeing as how the right belongs to the people,not the militia,how is he 'misusing' the second?
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 28, 2012
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  5. danielpalos

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    Only the historically proven law of large numbers of gun lovers not being "entitled to the character of a well regulated militia" of the United States.

    Why should any civil person be exempted from State gun control (laws) if they are a citizen of that State?
     
    danielpalos, Mar 28, 2012
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    Your argument is disingenuous since any militia in the US, must be composed of individual persons.

    Why do you believe our Founding Fathers were wise enough to enumerate, not just any Militia, but a well Regulated militia as being necessary to the security of a free State?
     
    danielpalos, Mar 28, 2012
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    You're not paying attention, friend. What you described above, I have already more or less said myself. My caveat being that we don't know specifically if the suspicious applications would have ultimately been refused had the BATFE not interceded. The dealers were not bound to do anything other than voluntarily report the applications. What you are avoiding admitting by this silliness is that your original assertion that the NICS specifically "would have prevented most of the sales that the BATFE forced gun retailers to make".
    This statement of yours is patently false, and you know it.




    Straw man. I have never stated that I believed them to be "innocent" or guilty for that matter. MY argument has been consistent throughout in that we should wait till all the information comes out to make any conclusions.

    Try a valid retort instead of fallacies, please.




    Nonsense. You ARE talking about "means". When you talk about "preemptive strikes" as you have here, then you ARE talking about "means".

    Am I to assume from your feigned ignorance on this that you are trying to hide your position behind slogans? This would be a weak position if you asked me.
     
    Danct, Mar 28, 2012
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    "We",.....? Perhaps you should just speak for yourself. I'm already aware of how your opinions of our president is biased as to this topic.

    Once again, you appear to be making the mistake of relying far too much on the NRA for your bad information.

    Look here.
     
    Danct, Mar 28, 2012
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    And you need to stop your silly NRA prejudice....there are plenty of sources out there dtailing Obama's voting record onfirearms....look them up.
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 28, 2012
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    The one typically quoted here is the NRA one. That's why I'm addressing that.

    There are also plenty of quotes by our president that would indicate none of what you describe, so there you are. Look them up, as you say.
     
    Danct, Mar 28, 2012
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    ... and STILL waiting ...
     
    Mr_Truth, Mar 28, 2012
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    I don't trust Obama as far as I can throw him,and I judge him based on what he's done, not what he hasn't....siully point you try to make
     
    LoneStrSt8, Mar 29, 2012
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    ... and STILL waiting ...


    .....


    .....
     
    Mr_Truth, Mar 29, 2012
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    The Bill of Rights takes precedence. That's how.
     
    onalandline, Mar 29, 2012
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    This wouldn't be F&F if all was peachy.

    No fallacies. Just Whistleblowers, congressional hearings, FOIA requests, internal documents, etc. It is clear what happened. They are just trying to figure out exactly who is at fault, and how this happened.

    I think most folks would agree with me. Right retained are easier that rights acquired. Move on.
     
    onalandline, Mar 29, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My information is good, my friend. What is clear, is your bias against the NRA.
     
    onalandline, Mar 29, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama's past voting record is pretty clear.
     
    onalandline, Mar 29, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...Stand By....
     
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    ... still waiting ...

    .......
     
    Mr_Truth, Mar 29, 2012
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    Simply resorting to propaganda and rhetoric, to merely misapply our Bill of Rights is not very convincing.

    What you claim cannot be the case if it does not involve a well regulated militia of the United States.

    A federal decision regarding the inalienable or indefeasible right to even, controversial forms of private property, has already be decided, and, to the best of my knowledge, it has not been overturned on that principle regarding rights in private forms of property.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 30, 2012
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    The People + Thousands of gun regulations on the books = Well Regulated Militia.
     
    onalandline, Mar 30, 2012
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    Citizens in the several States complying with State gun control (laws) is more accurate.
     
    danielpalos, Mar 30, 2012
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    Not sure what you mean there but please note that at the time of our Founding Fathers, the term "well regulated" meant well armed and prepared for combat.
     
    Mr_Truth, Mar 30, 2012
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    As long as State gun control does not hinder the Bill of Rights.
     
    onalandline, Mar 30, 2012
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know. I'm just trying to get danielwhatever to come to his senses.
     
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