Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns

might as well be....which is the whole point...isn't it?

 

The campaign has been successful there, but not completely successful. They're not quite done yet. Guns are not completely banned there, but they are severely restricted.

 

To ban and or confiscate our arms???...what did you think, the outlawing of PBJ's???

 

An executive order can only allow the President take action utilizing existing federal firearms laws. In other words, he cannot enact an EO contrary to any public or private law.

 

I read that one magazine manufacturer has a million 30 round mags on backorder.

Newton's Third Law.

 

I thank the Lord that we had forefathers with forethought that made changing the Constitution a difficult process!!!

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It's the nature of our ever creeping government...they never stand still. Whatever they enact today, will increase in the months and years to come.

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Don't know what happened there...LOL...gotta love this site.

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OK...the site has gone wacko....LOL

 

you're much more trusting than I!!!

 

Been paying attention to New york?
Its hard to get any hard facts on exactly what their brewing up in NY. I do know they want to ban all internet ammunition sales for anyone in NY.
Whats the effect of that? As a competitive shooter I do not buy loaded ammunition. In fact I could'nt buy loaded ammunition because its simply not manufactured for most accuracy based cartridges. Besides the fact they need to be tuned for the specific rifle. Handloading custom cartridges with custom bullets is the only option.
So are components of ammunition banned also? The components all serious competitors use in accuracy related shooting sports are not available at Wal-Mart or even a gunshop. They are purchased over the internet in bulk.
Even if the ban only applies to loaded ammunition the sellers of components will simply stop doing business with anyone from NY. We've seen it happen to residents of California, Australia and Canada. Ambiguous poorly defined laws with stiff penalties for shipment violations just cause suppliers to stop all sales. Legal or not.
Upstate NY has several International Bench Rest shooting ranges. All these will be forced to shut down. All accuracy related shooting sports in NY will be forced to close shop.
And thats just point # 6 on Cuomos 7 point plan. Six shot magazines is another rumored. Of course "assault weapons" is on top of the list, whatever the definition is today and tomorrow.
He has mentioned confiscation, no grandfathered guns, turn em in.
Then you get to politics. Will Obama allow Cuomo to one up him? Narcisists aren't usually to open for that allowance. He'll see and trump anything NY does.
So with a stroke of the pen most shooting sports will be eliminated in the USA. Yes, the lefties will cheer. Shame its one of the last bastions of our economy still going strong. Such is the politics of destruction.

Time to restock the shelves

 

Dirty civil war against who? Even Gaddafi had to import mercenaries to fight for him. So who will fight for Obama? WHO?

 

The government can employ as many as they like.

 

Governor Cuomo's plan is as follows:

http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/01092013sostranscript

By the way, in that same speech, Governor Cuomo states that he owns a Remington Shotgun.

Personally speaking, I consider this proposal good policy. Unlike Chicago, New York has the law enforcement regime capable of upholding these provisions in terms of monitoring, licensing, violent crime reduction, and elimination of illicit firearms trafficking. I expect it to be successful.

 

We have enough illegal here that's for sure....but no...there are plenty to hire from the US who need a job and are willing and able to uphold whatever they're told to.

 

I'm not much interested in Cuomos shotgun. I have just shy of $20,000 of custom built single shot target rifles that will become useless due to your definition of good policy.
I'm just beginning to think all this good policy could get real ugly fast once all the unintended or intended effects come to light on the people. Enjoy the ride folks, could get bumpy.

 

The president can do whatever we'll let him get away with. Read: We get the government we deserve.

 

It will have no effect on violent crime. I expect it to be successful too... at disarming law-abiding citizens. It will have no effect whatsoever on deranged individuals who wish to go shoot up a movie theater or a nursery school.

 

I was speaking about the policies alongside a credible law enforcement regime, something New York has and the city of Chicago does not.

 

Well it would be stupid if I had advocated for it. But I haven't, I was merely pointing out the results of our own long-gun registry.

As for how it brings down suicides? Here, I'll just quote the study
http://www.inspq.qc.ca/pdf/publications/1090_MemoireProjetLoiC391ArmesFeu_VA.pdf

 

Were there a 'credible law enforcement regime,' gun control policies would be unnecessary.

 

Addendum: I have extensive faith in New York law enforcement, particularly New York City law enforcement. Remember, New York City was hit with a crack epidemic throughout the 1980's and early 1990's. When Mayor Giuliani and subsequent mayors spearheaded expansion and modernization of the police force, and provided greater powers for them to combat crime, crime dropped. By 2005, crime was at its lowest level in sixty-three years, and the lowest of the ten major cities in the United States.

 

Gun control policies are implemented by law enforcement agencies. Current New York gun control policies are strict, along with other tough crime reduction policies, and are implemented by our state's law enforcement officials, which are consistently increasing in size and scope. As a result, New York's crime rate is now at the lowest level in forty-four years. So yes, the "less guns, less crime" argument holds weight in New York, which is a shining example of how correct policy with correct implementation leads to positive results.