Obama Social Security Number To Become Issue In 2012 Race

Because someone named "Barack" has a much better chance of being elected in the United States than someone named "Barry"? And as others have already pointed out, changing a name is much easier than committing Social Security fraud, and is perfectly legal. People don't tend to commit crimes when they can acheive the same result more easily through legal means.

Wong's right... You don't think about this stuff much, do you?

And anyway, your response was (predictably) completely unresponsive to my query.

I shall now repeat it: Why should we believe that a conspiracy is effective enough to elect an ineligible, illegal, "Manchurian candidate" President, and yet is so incompetant they make a mistake in forging his records that anyone with a 3rd-grade reading level and access to the SSA website would quickly discover?

Why is it predictable that you won't respond to that query? Because it uses very good logic, and birthers are incapable of dealing with logic.

 

I am always amazed at the Manchurean candidate thing.

Because you know, I think that if I was trying to plant a Manchurean candidate in the U.S. in the 60's, I would try to find one with a real all American name like Jim Jones or Rick Perry, with two good all American parents from a real state like say Texas.

Yet, somehow, somone in the 60's thought the son of a Kenyan, with a Muslim sounding name would be the perfect cover for an electable future Presient.

Seriously.

 

If I was going to have a Manchurian candidate, I would make sure the following principles were followed in setting one up:

1. Build their phony experience in an area closer to the home base (Manchuria, presumably) than any other state... Like maybe one that "borders Russia", so they can be pulled out at a moment's notice.
2. Make them a "first" of some kind to garner sympathy votes.
3. Make them declare their inevitable campaign after the other candidates have already started.
4. Have them constantly proclaim that any investigations into their background are just "liberal haters".
5. Make her... excuse me, "this person" attractive to get a "pass" with men.
6. Give them phony all-American values like hunting and being a tough momma... excuse me, "parent."

Of course, the tough thing about putting someone like that in place would be that it would be difficult to prevent the stress of their mind control from causing them to melt down and do stupid things like resign halfway through a term. They also wouldn't be fully programmed to know everything, because that's too hard, so when they go off script, they'd make horrible gaffes, and would look like a complete dummy to about half the nation. You'd probably have to do something desperate like have crib notes printed on the inside of their hand or something.

I'd watch out for anyone like that. Good thing we don't have one of those in American politics.

 

Was Obama legally adopted?
Did he legally change his name from Barack to Barry?
Is it legally possible for American to have several alias?
Was he ever known in the US as Barry Soetoro?
Did he ever legally change his name from Barry to Barack?

I've changed name once... had to file petition with a court, place an add in my local newspaper seeking objections, get a court order... that's what you do if you want to do something legally...

 

Obama spent three years in Indonesia and did NOT qualify for citizenship..according to Indonesian law..

Neither adoption nor his mother's marriage alters Obama's US citizenship status.

 

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant.

Of course it's possible to have an alias.

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant.

Anything else, or are you ready to admit what's really behind your suspicions?

 

Is this just a 'ask wildly speculative questions' game, because if it is, I want to play too!

Was Michelle Bachmann ever a high priced hooker?
How many affairs did Newt Gingrich have since the day he married his first wife?
Was Rick Perry really born and raised in Guatamala?

By the way- only the last one has anything to do with eligiblity- which is one more than all the questions you raised.

 

Barak is the name of an Old Testament Jewish general and Barry is a nickname for Barak.

 

What?

Not Presidents using nick names! That is clearly against the Constitution!

We can't have people like "James Richard Perry" running around using nicknames can we? Or Newton Gingrich, born Newton McPherson. And of course Bachmann is not even the name she was born with!

What about that William Clinton, who went around calling himself Bill? And Nancy sometimes called her husband "Ronnie' instead of Ronald....

Oh yeah...we really need to watch out for Presidents and Presidential candidates and focus on whether they ever used a different name...

 

Like IKE for Eisenhower??? LOLOLOL

 

Curious... how can you legally be known under 2 different names in US? Have 2 drivers licenses, 2 sets of passports?

A most common definition for noun "alias" that I know is "A false or assumed identity"... have you misspoken again, counselor?

 

You can only have one legal name, and one legal passport- we have seen President Obama's.

However when it comes to using other names for non-fraudulant purposes:
Aliases, pseudonyms and pen names have been commonplace over the years. Take Judy Garland (Frances Gumm), Clive Hamilton (C.S. Lewis), Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens), Lewis Carroll (Charles Dodgson), George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans), and David Copperfield (David Seth Kotkin). The Federalist Papers urging the ratification of the U.S. Constitution were written by "Publius.

Matter of fact, you are using an alias right now "Dutch".

If guess's and speculation were horses, Birthers would all be riding horseback.

 

So, at the tender age of what was it, six? young Barack needed, and assumed alias Barry? lol, what a load of usual crap

The more plausible explanation is that his mamma did it to him. For reasons that are yet unknown

 

That's a silly question. When he became president he obviously needed one and Kenya can't issue it. Jeez...

 

Hmmm why did his mother call him Barry rather than Barack? Why did Nancy call Ronald "Ronnie" instead of Ronald?

Talk about the usual crap....you can't conceive of any benign reason why Barack Obama was called "Barry" as a child.

But have no problem accepting Newton is Newt, William is Bill, Ronald is Ronnie...

yep...the usual Birther crap.

 

Just for Keymanjim.

Even the Census bureau disagrees with your delusional definition of the who is a citizen.

Just filled out my census form. Guess what- after they asked whether I was a U.S. citizen, they asked how I got my citizenship.

Options being: Born in the U.S., Born in one of our territories, born to a U.S. citizen abroad or naturalized.

Note- the citizenship of the parents is not relevant unless born outside the U.S.. According to the Census bureau, American citizens get their citizenship either by place of birth, or by being the child of an American citizen or by naturalization- no other choices.

How do you like them apples?

 

And of course completely irrelevant to eligiblity. Jimmy Carter even fought and won, the right to have his name on the ballot as "Jimmy" rather than James, even though James was his legal name.

Yep....just the usual Birther fog and mirrors....nothing of substance, just speculation and innuendo and well you know the rest....

 

Obama doesn't have 2 different sets of anything.

The most plausible explanation is that birthers are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up, and he never "assumed" any "alias" or was known as "Barry."

God (*)(*)(*)(*) you birthers are dense, though. Do you really think a person could occupy the most scrutinized office on the face of the earth under an assumed identity?

 

Very good. What I'm not saying and you're not touching with 10 foot pole is that young Barack had also changed last name... these pesky Indonesian authorities must have asked him - hey, Barack? how would you like to be known attending our skrul? And Barack said - I want to be known as Barry Soetoro

 

And Soetoro? I want to see the parallel here too

 

For these with luck of information - Barack Obama attended Indonesian public skrul under the name of Barry Soetoro (coincidentally, his adopting father's last name also happens to be Soetoro)

 

Ignoring that Obama has never been shown to have more than one of each at a time... it is a trivial effort to sequentially get more than one of each (or in the case of passports, as many at a time as you have citizenships) all without breaking a single law or requiring a massive conspiracy to defraud anybody

 

Actually, I (a natural born US citizen, born in the US to two US citizen parents) have both a US and an EU (Italian) passport. So you can have more than one at a time with no problem whatsoever.

Or up to their necks in horse manure... oh, wait!

 

Actually, the more plausible explanation is that his step father did it to him, for reasons that seem patently obvious.

Your opening straw man though, is, well, pretty typically Birther in its idiocy.