Occupy Wall Street vs. the Tea Party. (What if the Tea Party had done it?)

Thanks,,my back is a lot better...
As far as not caring I meant I rather them not vote if the vote was going to Obama, they are not voting for Obama because they believe in the constitution,,,they are not voting because they disagree with everybody...

They ARE socialists, make no mistake about it. They see Obama just as bad as Big Business, to them he screwed them. Many wont come out and say it, too embarrassed I guess, and they hate conservatives even more..

 

You're right....that "unconditionally" part was a bit of a generalization......but what does it matter how much at odds some Tea Partiers are with the Republican Party?...

...the Tea Partiers will vote Republican, and the majority of those Republicans elected will be the same ones in that were in power during the Bush admin (Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, etc....) What on Earth makes you think it'll be different this time after they get back in power?

All the Pauls, Rubios, Ryans, and the rest will not be as powerful as the GOP machine.

I really hope the Tea Party can successfully co-opt the GOP right back, and put those good old boy spenders out to pasture. Then maybe we can make some headway with the Democrats.

 

I think it would be different, as the Tea party gains strength they will fear for their very jobs as time goes on...The old GOP will eventually have to Listen as more of their constituents become Tea party people.
However for that to happen they must improve some of their image problems I think....I believe their popularity will increase once Obama loses,,if he does not, they could be toast....

 

You know better flounder. Big spending Democrats are not socialists, and the big spending Republicans aren't....whatever people call them.

They're all BIG spenders. They just dissagree on what is important, and as a result, needs money spent on it.

The GOP can bankrupt our nation by not cutting spending regarding social security, medicare, and defense....as easilly as the Democrats can. Wefare and Unions are a drop in the bucket compared to those sacrosanct areas.

 

But what I'm worried about....is the Tea Party laying down if there is a GOP victory in 2012...like they did after November 2010. Did you not notice how Tea Party rallies were common every weekend before Nov 2010?.....then they maybe had one a month after that?....and it was people like Bachmann who held them.

I'm worried the Tea Party will slack off when they get their Republicans elected. I can bet you $5 that big spending won't make Tea Partiers angry after Obama is out, and Republicans are back in, because Rush and Fox will defend whatever they do, and they'll spend spend spend.....but it won't make the Tea Party mad.....and everybody will realize there never were anything but Republicans in the Tea Party

 

Although I HATE how the OWS people act, there is a clear diffrence between the two.

Tea Party RALLIES

OCCUPY Wall Street

The ows message would be much more effective then the Tea Party if they weren't so crazy,

 

Well, it used to be more popular to be a RHINO. Republicans didn't want to look like the party of too much responsibility. So they started spending and acting like idiots. Now that isn't so popular. The TEA Party is providing cover, drawing things to the right, demanding accountability and responsibility in government. If the wrong thinking, same old GOP big spenders don't get right we will right them. We are only just beginning and to our success we have been blamed for foiling our country's credit rating because we wanted spending under control. We have the liberals screaming and the wind is at our back. A very good combination.

 

Hey, if they want to stay home on election day I'll have a pizza delivered for them.

 

Very grim outlook with a solid historical support. It happens. No doubt.

The rallies ended and the work began. It is silent behind the scene. It isn't over by a long shot. And the Republicans, and I am one, are sick of the big talk and no action of the "that's the way it goes" crowd within the party. I want MY party accountable for its actions. I won't be laying down.

 

Did you know that only 4 Republicans in the senate are part of the Tea Party caucus?....and only 40 Representatives in the House. The Tea Party is vastly outnumbered by the GOP regulars in congress. in 2012, they will still be a minority. When the fire is out of the hearts of righties when Obama (if Obama) is unseated...they'll just lay down...because the big Tea Party talkers won't have a bogeyman anymore. What are they gonna do?...protest their own spending?...No!....they'll justify their spending.

 

If you guys don't lay down...I'll back you up.

As a center left fiscal conservative and social libertarian...I'm all ready to tackle spending and debt....just as long as I don't see the right continue it's spending while it implements what it thinks God wants regarding social issues.

I can't support Republicans right now because they are anything but social libertarians. I feel like if I support the Tea Party now, I'm just gonna be putting RINO social conservtive christians in power.

 

Well, hope not, and yes I did notice that,,but remember they had a goal and met it, it's easier to rally people for an important call, after that...not so much.

Like any political group they want power, if they slack then they are giving it up,,not too common on the political scene to give up power, and remember it was the war that caused much of the spending....
However,,,,,You got a point Goldy, cant say you dont....

 

I did not call Obama a socialist, I called the OWS socialists, and most of them are as far as I am concerned, many would prolly agree....Obama makes his bones with big business and lobbyists,,that's no socialist,,but he does believe in many of the socialism ideas I believe.
I believe he thinks like his father to a large degree, but he could never leave a huge portion of Capitalism,,he cant,,,he loves golf too much...LOL


''Yeah I complained,,,gimme a gas Cart, this thing aint got no Balls.....''

 

Fair warning if they do.

Will big money Republicans still try to spend, sure. I think the TEA Party folks will stand their ground and are willing and able to fight the fight inside or outside the GOP. Accountability matters.

 

I dunno about Obama, or the OWS folks. I don't know any of them personally.

As far as "socialism."..I just think it''s become as frivolously thrown around as the word "racist" is for Tea Partiers.

Being a socialist doesn't mean you favor a heavilly taxed state with lot's of entitlements, nor does it mean you favor lot's of tax money being redistributed into big government programs.

Being socialist means you are in favor of government ownership, and MOST importantly, government control of all business. Throw in no private property allowed...and you've got Stalinist communism.

It's as unfair to call OWS'rs socialists as it is to call Tea Partiers "racist". I haven't heard the OWS people endorse government ownership of all business on camera, nor have I hear Tea Partiers make racist statements on camera.

Maybe I should go attend an OWS rally. They've got world class ones here in the SF Bay area. I've attended two Tea Party rallies, maybe I shouold expand my horizons for personal experiences.

 

If you Tea Partiers can change the GOP into fiscally responsible representatives of the American people, who recognize the critical nature of debt reduction, and our out of control spending from both the Republican and Democratic parties of the past. And they walk the walk, and talk the talk.....as I live and breath...I'll register as a Republican, and not give a hoot about the social issues....and gladly join the cause.

Just get that fundamentalist element out of the Tea Party, and hold em' accountable even after Obama is deteated....and you'd be amazed about how many center/center-left libertarians like myself would join!

 

Very cool. But you don't have to join the Republican Party to hold TEA Party values.

 

Fair enough...it never ceases to amaze me how seemingly implacablly opposed people can agree when they talk about what they want, as opposed to what the other guy does.

 

Their message is to some extent broad minded,,,,,''We want what others have, they have too much, we have too little''

First,,,,,,You have to start taking control of others wealth...Land, profit..

I am aware of the broad term, however to start a country toward socialism Government must start taking control...''Government ownership'' as you stated. That means taking from some and handing it to the Government [The people ''others'']. You have to start some place correct? So,,,it's their belief they should get more of others profits, who would do this?.....

The GOVERNMENT!
''Even the playing field'' [By the Government],,''Redistribution'' [By the Government],,''Fair share'' [According to the Government], are all first steps my friend, just like with Obamas Health care,,second step...[According to Obamas own words] Single payer Health care...
Baby steps...THEN WHAM!!

Calling one racist is to imply they think others are inferior to them, calling one socialist is to imply they want more of what others have,,,Like taking the park, redistribution, wanting a bigger piece of the pie,,,and YES, I do believe that's what they want...
You can not call a group that is complaining about spending.. ''racist'', it has nothing in common with spending...

Could be fun,,,leave your wallet [and Girl friend] home....

 

Yeah...that kind of bugs me too. I think there is a genuinly naive idealistic core group pf Granola Crunchers who think thier cause is just, and then there is the homeless/addict/entitlement crowd, and I have no sympathy for that crowd.

I dunno my friend.....I'm just not at the point where I'm seeing true socialist intent from lefties in the US. Just like I'm not seeing the intent from Christian conservatives to establish a theocracy.

I'll try to make it to The Bay around New Year, I'm going to a family reunion banquet around the 1st, and that's in SF. I'll snap some photos to share with you if I make contact. And I never bring my wallet to the city, just a little cash in my front pocket. It's gonna be wierd seeing gay OWS'ers....can you imagine?...well dressed OWS'ers...with nice hair?....and all fussy?...

I'll definitly snap some photos of that!

 

Family reunion??? How grand, how wonderful for you. I cant wait to see photos and such...
Nice Hair,,,LOL

Goldy I have nothing against the truly needy, you know that. The people at this sit in [for the most part] are not truly needy. Someplace in life they missed the boat, and now they want others to pay, or point fingers for their failures.
Of course Wall street is way out of line on many things, and yes greed is part of it, however if many of those Occupy people had the chance, they would have done much of the same, and everybody knows it...Look at Obama...., a perfect example.

Have fun, be safe, and dont forget...................

 

Which is why so many independence are conservative.

 

Not neccessarilly.......here is some data on California Independents....but one must also figure the liberal slant California has.....I'll try to find data on other states.

 

There are waaaaayyy more registered democrats than republicans in America. Those votes must be coming from somewhere.

 

I tried to find more data....so we wouldn't be speculating so much....and I couldn't find much that is reputable.

Independents have a way of being scarecrows in the wind. They favored Obama in 2008, and two years they started to swing in favor of Tea Partiers a bit.

When Bush's presidency pretty much ended in a wrecked economy, and two unfinished wars......the GOP strategists had to come up with a way for Republicans NOT to be ashamed of that. So they told Republicans they should call themselves "conservative independents", "conservatives", "Tea Partiers", or "conservative Libertarians"....basically anything BUT Republicans...even though 99% of these new brands still vote Republican and hate Democrats.

And to reinforce thier rebranding, they rebranded Democrats too, as "progessives" or "Liberals"....then the GOP, through the Tea Party, Rush, Glenn Beck, Fox News, and others, convinced the rebranded Republicans that conservatives are responsible for everything good, and liberals are repsonsible for everything bad.....because the end of the Bush admin was too fresh to allow the GOP to pull this off using the word "Republican"

I restating all this because it is part of conservative media's rebranding efforts of the GOP to create the impression that most independents are conservative.....but independents are a moving target. So!.....conservative media put forth the notion that "liberalism" is dead, which couldn't possibly be less supported by data of any kind.

So no....I don't believe independents are more likely to conservative. However...conservative media really wants you to think that