Oklahoma pharmacist convicted in murder of teen robber is sentenced to life

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  1. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Awesome, so you actually think its okay to shoot someone who is unarmed and who poses no threat to you whatsoever?
     
  2. Unifier

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    This guy got railroaded. His actions might have been over the line given the circumstances, but they were hardly deserving of life in prison. He was defending his (*)(*)(*)(*) store against armed robbers.

    If you're going to be stupid enough to rob a store, you should expect to get shot and killed. This is what's wrong with our justice system today. We try way too hard to make the citizen the bad guy and the bad guy the victim.

    An appeal is definitely needed here. This is not justice.
     
  3. Apuzzo

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    Here is a little about the veteran who was a contributor to society unlike the ones who wanted to rob and take his life. He is a American Patriot. When you read this you will find out that the NAACP requested the DA to charge him with murder one. The DA caved.


    http://jeromeersland.org/

    Lt. Col. (Dr.) Jerome Ersland is a disabled veteran who retired from the United States Air Force. Jerome joined the military and became a pharmacist because he wanted to serve our Country and help his fellow Americans. Due to inoperable broken back / spinal cord injury Jerome is forced to wear a back brace at all times that severely restricts his movement. In spite of this, Jerome still works full time and continues to serve his community. He belongs to the DAV, the American Legion, the VFW, serves as Vice President of his Church and as an advisor for the Boy Scouts.

    On May 19, 2009 at closing time when all the controlled substances and money were out for counting two armed robbers wearing ski-masks came to Reliable Pharmacy. One of the three employees inadvertently pushed the button allowing them in. As soon as the door opened, one of the robbers carefully placed a board in the doorway securing their exit. At the same time, the other robber pulled out his pistol demanding drugs and money threatening to kill anyone that did not comply. These robbers had been coached exactly which narcotics had the most street value according to 'The Oklahoman Newspaper' reporter Nolan Clay. As employees were retreating to the back of the store, Shots were fired and one of the robbers bullets struck Jerome. He returned fire killing one of the robbers. Jerome saved the employees lives, and prevented approximately $660,000 (street-value) worth of drugs from being stolen. His brave actions helped police apprehend other people involved in the planning and execution of this intricate, armed gang related robbery. Also, according to Nolan Clay these people were "alleged ring leaders previously convicted of thefts and assaults." When the Oklahoma City Police arrived, they told Jerome he was a hero.

    Eight days later, Oklahoma County D.A. David Prater charged him with murder one at the request of the NAACP. Jerome is now bankrupt, having spent his whole retirement and all of his current salary goes to lawyer fees. He pays 100k in bond every year (twice so far) and even though he hasn't been convicted, he is on house arrest. Jerome wears a GPS ankle tracking device that also cost around $480 a month! Jerome has to get permission a full week in advance for a simple trip to the store. Jerome has served honorably in our military, plays an active role in our community, and SAVED the lives of his employees. Jerome is a hero, a veteran, a friendly neighbor! Please consider a personal donation to help Jerome continue fighting this injustice!

    Governor Mary Fallin has the authority to “pardon” Jerome Ersland for the conviction of 1st Degree Murder. If you would like to contact her with your opinion you'll find the information below…
    Governor Mary Fallin:
    2300 Lincoln Blvd. Suite 212 Oklahoma City, OK 73105
     
  4. k995

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    It worked, the problems ISNT he defended himself, the problem was he shot an unarmed and not dangerous robber.
     
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    So veterans and people who pay taxes get special treatment in criminal cases? Nice justice system.

    I would say him being a veteran would actually be nefast for his case .
     
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    You mean to say robbing is not dangerous?
     
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    Dangerous to other people not himself .
     
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    There was a similar case like this in england.

    An unarmed robber was burglarizing a mans house and as he was attempting to get away the home owner shot him in the back with a shot gun. There would not have ben an issue...if the owner hadn't proceeded to shoot the burglar (who was on the ground) another EIGHT times with afore mentioned shot gun. Meaning the shooter actually reloaded so he could shoot the man even more times....

    Needless to say the guy got life. You dont shoot a person to the point they resemble hamburger meat even iff they just tried to steal your stuff.
     
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    I think it's crap. I saw the video and I still think it's crap. Absolute crap. The guy came blazing into his store and pointed a gun at him. That has an effect on people. Some people just go into a kind of daze for a while. he wasn't a trained law enforcement officer or military. Different standards.

    I would claim Liberals gone looney but Oklahoma doesn't seem like a bastion of Liberalism to me.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    The pharmacist knew exactly what he was doing when he went back and unloaded his gun into an unarmed man. There was no 'daze', it was cold blooded murder.
     
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    so most people think this man who was attacked and robbed at gun point deserves a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life sentence for putting 6 rounds into this little punks ass instead of only one??? why are you all so broken up about some punks who put a loaded gun in a mans face and threaten to kill him??!!!
    you feel angry that a man retalited and you think you have the right to judge a person you reacted in the heat of the moment of a situation he didnt even create? the right people were killed! wow america i am glad i dont live in your country and to the last self respecting americans who are still there get out! and leave all the bleeding hearts to the predators that wish to rob and kill them and put guns in their faces.
     
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    casey anthony gets away with murdering a little girl but this guy is crucified to appease the ultra libs and i am sure the civil rights groups who i am sure cried their eyes out and screamed racism!!!! boooo hoooo!!!!

    in memory of the little punks who threatned a working man minding his own buisness :gun::gun: bye bye
     
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    He deserves a life sentence because he committed murder.
     
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    booo hooo he murdered people who deserved it. there was a time in history you could shoot a man for verbaly or physically attacking your honour or the women you loved.... i suppose a man who would do that is a criminal in your book but at one time they would be knighted.
    but hey perhaps your right i am sure living in the safe rich suburb your from where police wipe your bottom and look out for you all the time has taught you everything you need to know about deffense and survival.
    just dont come into the real world or i fear someone like you would be eaten alive.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Does this mean you support murder?
     
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    The man shot a man who was lying on the floor and poses no threat to him at all. That is wrong. Shooting him once was fine, but shooting him again was what sent him to prison. I really don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.
     
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    boooo hooooo booo hooo!!!! why oh god why did this wonderful lad have to die!! oh its not fair send this monster with no criminal record to prison for the rest of his life!!! we need more young men like this and less buisness owners like this thuggish bully!
    let me ask you and answer honestly who would you rather live next door to the punks who robbed this guy or the pharmicist??
     
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    I'd rather live next door to the 'punks' because the pharmacist might shoot me.
     
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    hahah oh man your daft beyond reason. and i thought aussies had balls and were real men!!! you must be from new zealand with the way you talk!
     
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    You don't recognise the Australian flag, I take it? :?: And I'm a girl...
     
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    sorry just saw your profile i see your a women. and i am judeging by your cute little perception of reality a very young one, my 29 years on this planet in some of the most dangerous regions of the world has taught me a thing or two about life it would take you 1000 years to learn in the little sugar coated world you live in.
    lets leave it at this me and you have completely different views on the world.
    you think the way you do but maybe one day you will learn.
     
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    obviously i do know a aussie flag when i see one hence the reason i stated you cant be aussie because i am just taken back at meeting aussie who seems so limp wristed and backwards. you must be of NZ roots because no real aussie thinks like this
     
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    And this right here is exactly the problem I pointed out in my previous post. Too many people today want to believe the villain is some kind of unfortunate victim of circumstances while the innocent citizen is just some evil, blood-thirsty jerk who just wants to kill people who got a bad roll of the dice in life.

    I wonder how you people would feel if it was you or someone you know who was robbed, attacked, or murdered by an armed punk who had no regard for human life. Have you ever experienced that first hand? I have. It's easy to act smug and condescending from a theoretical pedistal where everybody who commits armed robbery is just a misguided soul who needs a hug. But the only reason you have the luxury of being so smug is because you've never known the experience of having someone shoot your friend in the face. Or break into their house, beat down their door, and kill their family because they wanted drug money. You've never had to attend the funeral of a good person who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. You give these criminals too much credit. Because you see yourselves in them..... wrongly accused.... regardless of evidence. When someone kills them in the act of defending themselves, you see them killng you. And it angers you.

    You people identify with the criminals entirely too much. That's why you see them as the good guys. You don't even know what it's like to be a good, honest citizen and be victimized by a piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) who has no regard for human life. Because you're so used to playing on the other side of the fence.
     
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    But I understand perfectly the situation and my problem is not with the shooting and killing of an assailant.

    My problem is with the shooting of the assailant, going off to chase the partner of the assailant, and after having been in a rage at not being able to catch go back and administer a coup de grace on the first, now harmless, assailant laying on the floor.

    This shop keeper robbed that kid of his right to a fair trial.

    That is not something I can support.

    Defending yourself has limits, once the assailant is down and no longer a threat you have no right whatsoever to go about administering coup de graces upon them.

    The cons on this thread who support this shop keeper are doing nothing more than supporting vigilante justice.

    I don't care if this kid was a hardcore gangbanger, or not. He has a right to a trial administered by the State, not an instant vigilante murder at the hands of his intended victims.

    Our entire justice system is designed to protect the criminal, not the victim. This was intentional to ensure everyone got a fair trial. We cannot go around as citizens just outright killing those who we have already neutralized as a threat, but may still be alive.

    Are my fellow Cons actually supporting the idea that victims of crime should be able to come back after the crime, when the perp is no longer a threat and just cold bloodedly end their lives without a fair trial?
     

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