Omnibus spending bill allocates $40 million for 'democracy programs' in Venezuela

Democracy is Venezuela, haha, good one. Seriously thought I wish Fox had come up with a better title because the real story is that this bullshit spending bill is loaded to the brim with one Democrat cash grab after another. The left know this is probably their last opportunity to rob tax payers and so they're shooting for the fkin moon.

Half a dozen Dem elites wrote this 2+ thousand page monstrosity without input from Republicans or so much as eve a full day to have it reviewed before voted on! Stop for a moment and think about that. What the **** kind of Republic do we have where 99% of our representatives aren't even involved in a process as huge as this?

And isn't it just despicable how they plan to ram this through? The usual song and dance about government shutdowns notwithstanding (sad that so many idiots still think the entire government actually shuts down when these bills fail to pass; really only about 15% of it stops and none of it is critical). The left is fully geared to make this bill all about Ukraine aid. That's it, a few billion dollars for Ukraine will be used to shame and guilt and threaten members of both parties into voting for this abomination because its sooooooooo important that not a moment be wasted. Well tell me this, Democrat ******* Congresspukes, if its soooooo important then why not make it a separate bill? Heh, ya, we al know the answer to that.

Oh and just as expected the bill contains nothing, zip, nada regarding oil production or the gas crisis. Prog groups around the country are going to be handed hundreds of billions of our tax dollars while you we shuffle off to pay $6 per gallon.

 

So you think America should NOT encourage Venezuela to be more democratic?

You think it is in America’s interest for Venezuela to stay exactly as it is?

 

You think that's what "democracy programs" actually means? Heh, oh bless your heart. Its just a generic designation for the allocation rules which come later; where the actual organizations that will receive money are to be penned in. It doesn't actually mean pro-Democracy, you're must meant to think that. There was a time when Democracy Promotion was a definable point in foreign policy explicit to the promotion of Democracy. These days the definition has been expanded so widely it basically can apply to anything. Abortion clinics can be "democracy programs", artist colonies can be "democracy programs", labor unions can be "democracy programs" (real world examples btw).

 

I'd suggest it is more likely a bid to buy Venezuelan oil at a cheaper price.

BTW democracy programmes by their definition need to be designed and voted on by the party in whose country they occur. That is what democracy is.
Your only input is through your congresspeople who offer them up for choice. I am surprised you object to abortion clinics, artist colonies and labour unions. They all abound in democracies all over the world.

 

So - you think America should not take any steps to help democracy flourish in Venezuela? It is in America’s interest to leave it as it is?

 

Did... did you even read what I wrote?

 

Yes I did. You complained that you didn’t like some of the things that you claim are funded by “democracy programs”.
That doesn’t answer my questions.

 

I don't take this kind of bait. If you want to talk about supporting democracy in Venezuela we'll have to find us a topic where its actually happening. In this thread I'll be talking about obvious scams designed to steal our money because that's whats happening.

 

If we want to minimize people coming from S. America to the USA then we should do all we can to help improve their living conditions including buying Venezuelan oil.

 

Don’t expect a straight answer. You wont get one
They will just call it a “trap” and deflect because an actual answer would compromise their partisan whines.

Personally I think we need to push pro-Democracy programs in areas where Democracy has a chance to take hold. I would prefer we supplement our oil with Venezuelan oil than Saudi or Russian oil.

Who knows, maybe they will start pushing Democracy in the US as well! Imagine if everyone’s vote was weighted the same for national election and politicians were removed for trying to push hyper partisan electoral maps. Ending gerrymandering and FPTP would be highly provocative to such a system.

 

I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANOTHER WORD ABOUT MY CARBON FOOTPRINT: Biden Has Multi-Trillion Dollar Spending Bill Flown to Caribbean Vacation So He Can Sign It.

Biden Heads On Vacation Amid Multiple Crises At Home. Media Gives Him Different Coverage Than It Did Ted Cruz.

 

Tell me this is fake news!

 

LOL, what crisis at home?

 

Uh…Christmas getting cancelled?

 

The only crisis I can think of is the economy not tanking as the trump loving reds so desperately want. LOL

 

The ONLY ones who want to tank the economy are Democrats. Look how many shut down their states for far too long, then had the audacity to blame Trump and Republicans for why businesses were hurting. Or how children were failing behind when DEMOCRATS were the ones keeping the schools closed.

Look at how many allowed riots to happen then had the gall to blame Trump for increased violence across the country, even though it was all happening in blue cities allowing it to happen. No police intervention. No national guard intervention.

What a joke.

 

Democrats probably trying to bring drag shows there

 

We have 25 Senate Republicans that cannot be trusted to stand up for the right thing.

 

"Omnibus spending bill allocates $40 million for 'democracy programs' in Venezuela"

I wonder how much of that $40 mil will end up in our politicians' pockets via hidden kickbacks and painting purchases?

 

Being Venezuella is a sovereign nation that is going to help the USA with Oil, I doubt they will allow any United States meddling with their government institution.

Thus, this $40 million will probably be spent elsewere as usual. Typical bureaucratic lies to justify spending money.

 

40 million probably isn't enough. I would have liked it to be at least double that.

We also need to be spending billions on El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras if we ever hope to get the immigration situation under control.

 

Are you truly that naive to think any of that $40 million will be spent on Promoting Democracy in Venezuela while they are helping save our arses in a gas crisis.

Now, if the Left were attacking Venezuela's lack of Democracy and didn't need gas from them under normal circumstances, I wouldn't question this money on the bill.

I wish we could get actual auditors to track every cent spent as I doubt a single cent is actually spent on Venezuela, but they will probably write it off as expenses for some politicians blowing hot air about it then spend it elsewhere as originally planned aka drag queens etc.

 

What do you think the money is for?

Venezuela is profiting from us buying their oil, no need to pay them off for that. They need us more than we need them in that respect.

 

I wish I knew. This is why the Right should demand that Auditors are used for situations like this on bills. Their should be Auditors for all bills counting every cent spent for both the Left and the Right. No more claiming money is for one thing then spending on another.

 

I support auditing money that is spent, 100%

There is about 1 trillion dollars missing in the DoD over the past 10 or 15 years.

The right nor the left are going to be doing any auditing. I'm not sure what makes you think the right is more apt to do it than the left. None of them want that.