[OPINION] What's Wrong with America!

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  1. robster644

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    Sounds like your bosses work for white guys too. Sounds like you're getting it.

    I wouldn't say Asians make morey than whites, there are just more whites in the pooulation, thus more who make less, to bring the average down. Thus, why you and your bosses work for white guys. Power is concentrated in the white administrative staff. See?

    Don't produce anything? Please. This nation is hardly what you produce, it's how you sell it that counts. In this country at least. I can't see how anything advanced that's produced Japan or India is helping those countries, who face such uncertain internal problems, they cling to other counties for mutual
    Assistance and help. When's the last time Japan did anything significant on the worlds stage? Besides blow it up with those 'smart' tech scientist at your nuclear reactors. Ha!

    Learn about American society. At least that's what the Chinese do while they're here
     
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    1. Americans have a strong distaste for hard sciences.
    I don't know about a strong distaste. We do have an abundance of lazy video game and drug addicts. Having been pampered most of their shallow lives and/or neglected and rendered mentally impotent by their environment and education, which has consisted of an overabundance of leftist social propaganda, they're lucky if they know the capital of their resident state. The hard sciences demand brains that can actually think creatively rather than politically correct bots that can spit out the approved neoMarxist doctrines. And they require discipline - need I say more?

    2. The US government pays for ridiculous things.
    It even has to borrow 40 cents on the dollar to pay for those ridiculous things! And then it must pay the borrowed funds back with interest, 46% of which is paid to foreign governments.

    3. Reverse-discrimination is real. Whether or not you believe in it or in racism at all, it exists. Asians have a harder time getting into university than whites while blacks have an easier time; that's an admissions statistics fact.
    This is an obvious fact - obvious to everyone except the power-freak morons that keep the practice in place and justify it with mindnumbing nonsensical arguments.

    4. Tax policy needs to be simplified. It's truly hilarious.
    It's more horrendous than hilarious. Our tax policies are THE archtypical example of the bureaucratic bs that passes for governance.

    5. The White middle-class is too picky with employment.
    Indeed. Guilty as charged.

    6. Grants and financial aid needs to be completely reworked. Why are useless majors being given full tuition while hard-working middle-class students are suffering and struggling under debt to finish a useful MD?
    What?. The funding of a $447,492 Univ. of North Carolina study on the development and use of “African American English” amongst 70 adolescents isn't a great use of tax payer funds??? :roll:.

    7. Political Parties in America are too strong. ...In America, money dominates.
    Political parties are thorougly corrupt! Money and special interests govern the nation. Look at how much has recently been tossed into the abyss by the government's Green Revolution agenda just to appease the environmentalists.

    8. Lastly, your movies suck. They're so cliche.
    Yep - they at leasy semi-suck. There are a few that are watchable but probably less that 1% are worth the bucks they want for a seat in the theaters. I never bother. There are very few productions out there that are good enough that I can't wait a year or so and stream them on Netflix. This is just another example of low quality production geared toward idiots, which in todays society constitutes a very simple majority.
     
  3. montra

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    1. I would say that Americans are programmed to seek a career that makes them "happy" because in this society its all about me, me, me, not you, you you. So do the hard sciences make anyone happy? My guess is probably no.

    2. The US government not only pays for ridiculous things, they pay the most for education in the entire world. Of course, in this society the goal is to throw money at problems rather than fix them. Perhaps it stems from the whole lazy American notion. After all, how does reform make anyone happy because it's hard work and change is painful.

    3. In the US it used to be that being a minority made it tought to get a job, however, as you can see it has come full circle. Now being a white guy is problematic.

    4. The tax policy is intentionally complex and full of loopholes. This give those in Washington power. How? First off, they collect your money interest free over the year and then give you a small portion back at the end of the year. The result? Psychologically people think that the government is giving them money at the end of the year, because they never see how much they really take or, if they do, don't really comprehend what is being taken from them. Secondly, it provides them a way to pay off corporations like GE who payed no income tax last year for their political support. Without such incentives, would corporations like GE throw millions and billions at politicians? And lastly, do the law makers really want to pay income taxes? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot, not to mention all the job creators like accountants, lawyers, IRS agents, reposession people, law enforcement, jailors and undertakers. It's all part of Obama's job creation plan.

    5. Again, the US population is geared to snub their noses at anything they do not like. Of course, if they find something they do like but they do not like the salary, they will snub their noses at that as well.

    6. As I said before, the focus of government is not lowering education costs, rather, it is only interested in providing anyone a loan who wants one. Again, their only focus is throwing money at problems. It's all they are capable of doing.

    7. Political parties have a monopoly on everything in the US. They have such a monopoly, in fact, not being part of a major political party is seen as a waste of time. Also, those even within their party who do not drink the establishments coolaid like Ron Paul are treated as though he were a third party.

    8. Hollywood saw what Americans crave when Mel Gibson's movie about Christ came out. Instead, those in Hollywood would rather continue to same formula for every movie they make anyhow even if it means leaving money on the table.
     
  4. montra

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    1. I would say that Americans are programmed to seek a career that makes them "happy" because in this society its all about me, me, me, not you, you you. So do the hard sciences make anyone happy? My guess is probably no.

    2. The US government not only pays for ridiculous things, they pay the most for education in the entire world. Of course, in this society the goal is to throw money at problems rather than fix them. Perhaps it stems from the whole lazy American notion. After all, how does reform make anyone happy because it's hard work and change is painful.

    3. In the US it used to be that being a minority made it tought to get a job, however, as you can see it has come full circle. Now being a white guy is problematic.

    4. The tax policy is intentionally complex and full of loopholes. This give those in Washington power. How? First off, they collect your money interest free over the year and then give you a small portion back at the end of the year. The result? Psychologically people think that the government is giving them money at the end of the year, because they never see how much they really take or, if they do, don't really comprehend what is being taken from them. Secondly, it provides them a way to pay off corporations like GE who payed no income tax last year for their political support. Without such incentives, would corporations like GE throw millions and billions at politicians? And lastly, do the law makers really want to pay income taxes? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot, not to mention all the job creators like accountants, lawyers, IRS agents, reposession people, law enforcement, jailors and undertakers. It's all part of Obama's job creation plan.

    5. Again, the US population is geared to snub their noses at anything they do not like. Of course, if they find something they do like but they do not like the salary, they will snub their noses at that as well.

    6. As I said before, the focus of government is not lowering education costs, rather, it is only interested in providing anyone a loan who wants one. Again, their only focus is throwing money at problems. It's all they are capable of doing and/or willing to do.

    7. Political parties have a monopoly on everything in the US. They have such a monopoly, in fact, not being part of a major political party is seen as a waste of time. Also, those even within their party who do not drink the establishments coolaid like Ron Paul are treated as though he were a third party.

    8. Hollywood saw what Americans crave when Mel Gibson's movie about Christ came out. Instead, those in Hollywood would rather continue the same formula for every movie they make anyhow even if it means leaving money on the table.
     
  5. Minoru

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    ...!

    I would hope not.

    There is no loss of honor in getting everything one can from the American system, it's why it's there.

    I would say too many uneducated blacks and Hispanics. Also too many uneducated whites. Too many uneducated in general. There's hundreds if not thousands of top-tier jobs, all paying near or well above 100k a year. About double, if not more, than the national average. But they remain empty.
     
  6. montra

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    Exactly!! Just so ya know, I do not hate you. I only hate those in Washigton who seem to hate the people they proport to represent.

    In fact, had you ever thought of running for political office? I would place more faith in someone from a foriegn country than I would these clowns. :)
     
  7. Minoru

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    There isn't a white management-holder in my entire division. You'd literally have to go from my position all the way to the university president to find one.

    They make more money. I don't think you know how averages work. You're shooting yourself in the foot, as they say, with those sentences. So I suppose it's both math and history that you're deficient in.

    Japanese technology is exported worldwide. Our scientists lead many fields. I suppose you don't read Science.

    The Chinese have made a giant move, buying Western businesses and replacing the leadership with themselves. They're one of the few groups who have had money in this recession. So your remarks aren't actually correct whatsoever. But I don't think that comes as a shock to anyone else here. Automakers, resource extractors, research giants, and then some.
     
  8. peoplevsmedia

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    Weather you're this person or not, good post. very few long posts I read, but I read this one. I think it's accurate at least to some degree, and has an important message for us.
     
  9. Johnny-C

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    Here is a path to the solution.

    Money has all but drowned-out the VOICES of the MANY reasonable (if average) Americans.
     
  10. Minoru

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    If this is true, why are you letting this happen? Why are you allowing this indoctrination? Why are you sitting idly, as a nation, letting this happen?

    It would be hoped that the 'market' would work. That these jobs would pay such great wages that people would fill them and the market would reach an equilibrium. But it's not. With so many of the baby boom, healthcare jobs are even more desired and yet less easily filled. It's the exact opposite.

    Indeed so. Debt service is now it's own notable section on your government budget. And it's only getting bigger.


    And these arguments are? What are these arguments? Why does the government force this? Why does the government give more grant/project money to labs that are more diverse?

    Even in Singapore, if I had to pay taxes, it'd be at most 20%. No capital gains. But as a non-Singaporean resident sending money there, I pay 0%. Simplify the tax code. Flatten it.

    I'd also like to note that when I say research, I mean hard-science research. Social sciences are foolish. At best, economics because it actually uses calculus.

    Candidates hold no power. They cannot easily stray from the party because then they'll be denied important war chest funds to rerun. So they have to. Candidates don't win, parties win. It's always "will this piece of legislation pass? Well we've got this many Republicans and this many Democrats"... Why? Why can't we look at how many individuals switch sides and vote with their constituencies? Republicans from one state obviously differ from Republicans of another, same with Democrats.

    I see it as most from a culture that embraces education: you suffer for about 30 years, going through school the whole way and working hard. You establish yourself at your job, and then you're done. You have another 30 years of relatively easy life and then hopefully another 30 of pure enjoyment. Why spend the first 30 having fun and then suffer for the next 60 trying to make ends meet?

    Exactly. Americans pay top-dollar for education and health care, neither of which are they anywhere near the top. It's pathetic. You literally are wasting hundreds of billions every year. For a nation that can't agree on mere dollars to cut, you'd think they'd love to save hundreds of billions!

    I don't think it's that simple, I think racism and reverse-racism is evident in hiring practices through America. Different places, different employers, different jobs; etc.

    I don't think Obama made the tax problem, I think it's gotten worse since the early 1900s. America's rates, though are second to Japan's. Depressing for me. Holding back the potential.

    So then the market is not working. What's the solution? How do you attract and fill these jobs without having research facilities looking to overseas scientists? How do you stop universities from poaching foreign students for their labs?

    And the American people willingly pay this ridiculous amount in taxes for this to continue? Why?

    Ron Paul 2012.

    I liked the older ones. From before my time. The Hitchcock ones. America seemed better back then, minus the whole blatant racism and sexism stuff.
     
  11. Johnny-C

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    The importance of a society being well-rounded, cannot be understated.

    What, do you think that the ONLY useful or important people/nations, are those ALL about numbers?

    Not all are going to find themselves being scientists or financial experts; and America would suck a LOT, if that were the only focus. Everyone cannot and will not be of a technical intellect.

    I've worked in a scientific/technical field all of my adult life, but I am fully aware that everyone cannot do what I do, or be who I am.

    Come on. Please... try to be more realistic.
     
  12. Minoru

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    Well-rounded with what? Useless people? You know what my university lists on the "what to expect from a sociology degree" page? Social work as the most likely job. It pays about half the national average.

    Not everyone has to be a PhD. Not everyone needs to go into the math or sciences. But when there are thousands of jobs open in this field and no one is taking them to the point of importing the likes of me to lead your university laboratories, then there is indeed a problem.

    Every American should be finishing secondary school. Every American should go to some form of tertiary education: military, trade, university, whatever. Every youth in America should have a marketable trade that has the ability to be co-evolved with the needs of the economy.
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    I get the feeling that YOU think you know more than you do. Oh well... have a great life in the nation of your choice.
     
  14. Minoru

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    Then why are many of America's secondary school teachers unqualified. Why are many science teachers in America holding English degrees?

    What's the purpose of psychology and sociology degrees being among the most popular in universities. Another popular one? Political science.

    Really? These are good degrees? Really? Then why do they boast some of the highest unemployment six-months after graduation? Why are there more social sciences undergraduates than hard-science ones?

    Health professionals have burst recently. Degrees are on something of a 50% rise, somewhat meteoric. But it's still not enough.
     
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    Really, what do you suggest? ALL aren't going to be highly educated, but all need a ways to live their lives. Some will be scientists, others... not.

    Yes, we need scientists but that simply isn't what all will become.

    I admit that the usefulness of certain degrees are more useful than others, at various times. But I don't want to hear anyone claiming that the arts, sociology, vocational/construction or other career fields are somehow 'unimportant'... or that people should not make a decent wage doing those things. It is a misconception that only those delving into what's technical or scientific... are the MOST important people in this or any given society. That just isn't the case... all of these things WORK TOGETHER over time. It's NOT all TECH, all ART or all VOCATIONAL.

    Yes, very often they are. They are not ALL about making big money and should not necessarily be. The social infrastructure of any given society requires more than what is scientific or technical. Being in aviation for the last 30+ years... I know the value of science and technology... but that isn't ALL there is which is important to American society. It's very obvious that we need people educated in the wide range of fields in which they are.

    The needs for people educated in certain fields varies over time. I knew many who studied in certain technical areas, which dried up (economically) almost right before their eyes.

    Well, I'd agree that we (as a society) have to work on actively adjusting our education system, to meet the needs of where the society is headed. But me being a person who has 50+ years of living as an American, would have to tell anyone... that we cannot ever put all of our eggs into a single basket.

    We may indeed require more scientists in this era (and I believe we do), but it takes time to turn a large SHIP (as this nation is), so that we are on the proper course as we head into any given era.
     
  16. Minoru

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    They don't need to be highly-educated. Most with English or History degrees don't have to take any core hard-sciences to complete their major. Why should the children of America be taught by teachers who never took a course in it?

    They are unimportant. They entirely are. Decent wages are rare. A masters in engineering or the health professions nets you more than twice what a masters in sociology would.

    Scientists are the most important people in any given society. They're the only ones who advance the human condition. They are the ones who extend life expectancies, ease the 'difficulties of life' through technology, and expand the human capabilities for their peers. They're the only ones who expand human capabilities.

    We need a mob of unemployed sociology or political science majors? They have their place, but just not in the numbers they are. There's too many of them. It's that simple!

    Why has the ship gotten off-course in the first place?
     
  17. Johnny-C

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    Well, societies change and economies 'cycle'. I hope we find the proper course and balance in the years to come.
     
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    I don't really disagree with anything you've said (Except about movies. While few movies are to my taste, I have to admit Hollywood knows how to make and market films that have an international appeal. Their business plan works). However I think the root of most of your issues it is our poor primary schooling. We have extremely politically powerful teacher's unions, and they have stifled every major attempt at school reform for decades.
     
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    I hope for ice cream, and puppy dogs.
     
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    Minoru is pretty perspicacious. However, he is a tax cheat. His understanding of American tax law is woefully shallow. Minoru, PM me with your real name and taxpayer ID No. There's a reward for your hide.
     
  21. Johnny-C

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    Go get some, they aren't THAT expensive.
     
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    I love puppies. They make for some really good eating. :)
     
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    Just remember... the ice cream is for 'desert'. ;)
     
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    Someone is going to be in a tight spot if they ever get audited. Ignorance is not a defense for tax evasion...unless you've been elected to Congress.
     
  25. Minoru

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    It's all legal, so says my tax preparer. He signs.
     

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