Over $60,000 in Welfare Spent Per Household in Poverty

Budgets they know won't pass? Those are the budgets that you want to champion? It takes compromise, something neither side wants to do. And let's do some thinking here. It's the houses job to come up with a budget. Why would the Dems make a budget up, it's not there job.

 

Where does all that money go? It's not making it's way to the poor.
My guess is its all going to feed a giant wasteful bureaucracy.

 

No budget ever passes as originally written. That is the reason for the reconciliation process. Without a senate budget, reconciliation can't happen. The house did their part when they drafted a budget and sent it to the senate. If the senate had passed a budget, the two branches could have began the reconciliation process.

The house did their part, why didn't the senate do theirs?

 

I'm not arguing whether or not they did their job. I'm arguing why they passed a budget, they knew was not going to work. Couldn't one make the argument that it was just for show, and didn't intend to get off the ground?

 

I like a similar idea, but I'm afraid there would be enough people content with the dole amount that it would destroy productivity.

Instead I'd propose that we offer four years of cash at a level equal to the poverty line for a family of three to every adult citizen in the US. This money could be collected at any time the person chose, but would be the only assistance offered. Once a person used their entitlement it would be gone.

People could use it to get through unemployment, college, hard times, to augment retirement - anything they wanted. You could eliminate most of the bureaucracy involved with means testing and related distribution, so it should be a more efficient use of funds. More importantly it treats everyone equally instead of granting preference based on "need".

 

Sounds like bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to me. It sounds like they are taking all sorts of payments and then pretending they all go to folks in poverty, which is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Things like unemployment benefits are not means tested and go to folks who make far more than poverty level income, but they include it in their figure as if all that money goes to folks who are below the poverty line. Same with many other assistance programs that help folks who are above the poverty line. And accoring to governmentspending.com, the figure is $800 billion.

A distortion of the truth, just what you'd expect from the Republicans.

I can play that little game too. As Romney stated, 47% of Americans (those irresponsible people who expect hand outs) receive Govt assistance. So let's divide the $800 billion spent by 47% of Americans, or about 145 million Americans. A whopping $5,442 per person.

Try living on $5,442 a year and tell us how luxurious it is.

 

Then you would have to say the same for every budget the house ever passed - yet somehow in previous years unworkable budgets somehow eventually were reconciled and passed.

Congressional budgets are basically a negotiation. Each branch makes a draft budget that contains exactly what they want - and they are always very different. Then an item by item game of give and take begins. The final budget rarely resembles either draft, but is something both sides can live with.

What the senate has done is basically refuse to even start to bargain. The house made their offer, but the senate refused to respond. They unilaterally chose to refuse to participate in the budget process.

 

I don't think that is a guess but a fact. And fraud and waste. But the fact is a family of four on welfare has no problem living the standard of living of two working slobs making about $70,000 including their overtime. Is it the obligation of the American people to provide such a standard of living as a guaranty? If so why are we all working then?

 

How self serving. "We will fail to do our statutory duty to pass the spending bills so we will blame it on the ones that did because we couldn't negotiate".

What utter folly.

The Republicans did their part and passed their versions and were ready able and willing to sit down and hammer it out as is done every year. The Democrats in their total incompetence and partisanship didn't even pass the bills out of committed and they didn't need a SINGLE Republican vote to do so. The budget authorization bills cannot be filibustered they pass on a simple majority.

 

Accountability ? Democrats don't want no stinking accountability ! They want dependence on gubmit.

We need to drain the gubmit teat. Forget the "swamp", its that teat that has to whither. We'll lose most of the liberal posters here when free-stuff ends too.

Imagine that ! The freeloaders will have to work !

 

Oh well that proves it wrong then.

 

If you're trying to make a cake, no matter how hard you try, if you start off with bad ingridents, you will wind up with a bad cake. Same logic applies here. They knew it wasn't going to work. But they still passed it. They knew what the other side would say, and they still did it, without bothering to compromise. And just because they didn't pass, doesn't mean they didn't respond to it.

 

Throw the grannies and vets and poor kids who need a doctor out in the streets and tell 'em to get a job!

That's just the kind of conservative utopia we want for America.

 

I want to you to go the consuitition. And find out where the budget process begins. The Republicans didn't do it because they want to, they did it because they control the process. They have no need to compromise, when they can start the wheel's turn.

 

You must have missed my post. Here it is again.

 

Conservatives only care about buying a permanent voting block in this country and they are doing it with tax cuts and religious pandering. One more Republican term and you will never see anyone but a Republican in the White House for a very very long time.

 

Whereas the other big party sells us out to corporate interests. Well, actually, both parties have long been doing that, no matter what they say during election season.

 

Only suckas got a Job!!

 

Why do you want to start with them, why not the able bodied who can work? Kinda heartless aren't you?

 

The Constitution says nothing about a budgetary process.

You are refering to to Article I Section 7 which states all bills raising revenues must originate in the House. The spending bills which make up the budget can originate in either house of Congress.

Now I want YOU to go to the Constitution and confirm that for yourself.

 

Now I want you to pull out your critical thinking skills. Why does the HoR have the right to tax? Because it controls the budget. That's how it controls the budget, by saying how much can actually go in.

 

No I posted my appropriate comment to it.

 

I want you to put on you most simple thinking skills, raising revenues by forced taxation is an entirely different matter from spending it. There is NO Constitutional requirement the House pass it's spending bills before the house does. The Senate quite routinely passes bills that spend money and sends them over to the House for consideration.

Let's just cut to the chase. Post the Article and Section of the Constitution that you claim supports your assertion that any spending bill must originate in the House.

The House doesn't control the budget.

Here is the governing law

The timetable with respect to the congressional budget process for any fiscal year is as follows: [TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TH]On or before:[/TH]
[TH]Action to be completed:[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]November 10[/TD]
[TD]President submits current services budget.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15th day after Congress meets[/TD]
[TD]President submits his budget.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 15[/TD]
[TD]Committees and joint committees submit reports to Budget Committees.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 1[/TD]
[TD]Congressional Budget Office submits report to Budget Committees.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 15[/TD]
[TD]Budget Committees report first concurrent resolution on the budget to their Houses.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]May 15[/TD]
[TD]Committees report bills und resolutions authorizing new budget authority.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]May 15[/TD]
[TD]Congress completes action on first concurrent resolution on the budget.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7th day after Labor Day[/TD]
[TD]Congress completes action on bills and resolutions providing new budget authority and new spending authority.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 15[/TD]
[TD]Congress completes action on second required concurrent resolution on the budget.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 25[/TD]
[TD]Congress completes action on reconciliation bill or resolution, or both implementing second required concurrent resolution.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]October 1[/TD]
[TD]Fiscal year begins.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Notice it makes no distinction between the House and the Senate, the each operate on the same timeline and must pass their bills concurrently and then they enter the reconciliation process.

Congress controls the purse strings not the House. The House holds the key power in matters of taxation but the Senate can amend any bill raising revenues and send it back to the House for consideration.

 

Right now, I'm poor and I could really use the $60,000. Do you think they could just write me a check?

 

Ask a conservative. They are the ones making this bogus claim.