Palestinians and the Greatest Political Scam of Modern Times

Nope. You can't reject UN rulings even if you disagree/don't like them. Besides the claim that Israel should not have gotten the Negev desert because a small number of Nomadic muslim tribes wondered it is racist.

 

How many UN rulings has Israel rejected out of hand-up till now-because it doesn't like them?

Here, I'll help you: http://salemshalom.blogspot.com/2007/12/heres

 

You forgot to mention that they are also both self-hating leftwing moonbats.

 

Uhm....the UN has been hijacked, co-opted, and usurped by the Islamic world since in the 70s. Why should anyone, much less the Israelis, take the UN seriously? Indeed, the UN is a disgrace and a useless laughing stock. In fact, it has about as much credibility as you do, which is to say zero.

 

Give it a rest mate. Paranoia isn't pretty.

If the UN is so useless I guess you'd tell Israel to stop running and whining to them at for every perceived wrongdoing by its opponents.

 

Indeed. It is interesting to observe how heavily reliant Israel is on the UN in relation to its propaganda towards Iran.

Israel complains to UN chief against Iran's 'terror campaign

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/israel-complains-to-un-chief-against-iran/230932-2.html

 

Arabs and their misguided supporters who are in violation of multiple international humanitarian human rights laws and UN resolutions are not in a position to lecture others. Wake me up when they comply with International law and UN resolutions and we will talk about other states.

 

The UN is useless because no one, least of all the Muslim world takes it seriously or abides by its laws and resolutions. The UN is useless for the purposes it was created - rule of international law, peace etc.

Nevertheless it exists and is used by the Islamonazis of the world for PR purposes only which have nothing in common with the UN's reason to exist. Given that, Israel has every right to respond in kind and use the UN to show the true ugly criminal face of its enemies.

 

Wakey, wakey !!

 

Imagine this noxious emanation from the son of a Jewish Polish father.
My suspicion is confirmed when someone is playing Eeni Meeni Miini Moh - then conveniently lands on Abraham Stern's life history.

A. Stern was fighting the British oppressor... This fellow is commemorating evil Islam and hate against the Jewish people.

 

Oh...... I see.....

The muslim israelis are taking care of the children.

i didnt see you point. I get it now.

calling me a muslim is like you being jewish

 

NOT REALLY...
The British during the 30 years Mandate accepted de facto the KHUSHAN (Ottoman Certificate of Land ownership) and the Arabs came short.
In conclusion, it is safe to say that the so called Arabs of Palestine were not 'Land Owners' but rather 'Land Tillers'.

 

Actually Jewish and Arab Israelis are taking care of Palestinian children and paying for their treatment out of their own pocket. But with every post you are getting closer.

 

I just received notice from a reliable source that the Truck Driver is a Muslim...
If you figure the following scenario the children bus had no identification but children riders on a bus.
The Muslim Arab Truck driver wanting to score one against Jewish children made a tremendous mistake.

 

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The classic gray area is war. Normally killing another person is wrong, but in war suddenly it is a good thing. Does it make no difference whatsoever what the war is about (my country, right or wrong) and does it matter how unlimited your actions are to win that war? Of course it does!

I thought of this example without even raising a sweat. When you factor in the fact that Israel's actions or the Palestinian's actions are the aggregate of many people's behavior over decades, with changing policies and tactics and relative levels of power, Sablegsd's post is revealed as the incredibly naive and juvenile viewpoint it is. There is black and white, but neither black nor white manifests itself at 100% except on very rare occasions.

 

Edited version ;

Glossary and abbreviation legend for my reply.

SCP is an abbreviation for 'So Called Palestinians'.

TUS is an abbreviation for ; 'The Usual Suspects' ie the members here that are rabid Palestinian apologists. Many are also HAMAS supporters, at least the cause if not the means, and are Anti West anti USA, Anti non secular Jewish, anti Protestant, anti Christian to name a few things ...

I am so happy you turned me on to this concise article. I laughed out loud when the psychotic truly dumb remarks began appearing; insufficient comment (man if I used that same criteria on most of the usual suspects and pull those with insufficient content and silly one liners they would invisible!) and crap like " This forum is for the latest news" ad nauseam etc.

The comment was plenty sufficient as was the fine article. The rebuttal of oh what about those killed in IDF actions! Why ? Most of those killed were either being used as human shields by the TERRORIST Hamas or guilty by association with the TERRORISTS. If Israeli commandos or citizens committed a crime they were charged with a crime unlike the HAMAS TERRORISTS. If the so called Palestinians (SCP's) would NEGOTIATE fairly instead of attempting to take shortcuts to statehood maybe just maybe they could be an asset to the middle east instead of an instigators . As it stands now Palestine is not a nation not a state, it’s a geographical area, and it exists within the confines of their hosts nation’s borders by the grace of the host nation ie Israelis. The sooner that they snap back to reality and admit that they are NOT a recognized nation by ANYONE but SCP apologists the sooner they can dig their selves out of the fantasy of them being a state and get on with REALITY!

Again the article describes in detail why that SCP’s are in this mess. I urge everyone including the Usual suspects to read it. However if the past is any indication TUS (the usual suspects) wont read anything save for their own propaganda and remain as ignorant as the Palestinians on the real reasons they are a dispossessed people.

reva

 

What war is just or when is war morally correct to every one asked or involved ? Being pacifist is a noble but stupid and suicidal paradigm to embrace at this point in our evolution. Maybe in a thousand years when EVERYONE learns that war is a primitive vestige of our non human common ancestor, we may become a truly pacifist species. Until then GET REAL or die.

Reva

 

Good. Maybe anti-America scumbags will think twice before (*)(*)(*)(*)ing with us again.

If Europe and the UN were capable of ousting Saddam Hussein from Kuwait without our help, we never would've been attacked on 9/11.

Its Europe and the UN who asked for our help, because Europe is too weak and pathetic to enforce international law, so we gave it and the repercussions get completely blamed on the victim. The USA.

Attacking the USA for what it did to Iraq during the First Gulf War is like attacking a Cop because he enforced the law in your neighborhood.

 

America had no reason to invade Iraq. None whatsoever-except for Li'l Georgie's need to impress daddy. Iraq is not your neighbourhood, nor did Iraq pose any threat to America whatsoever. Still, it was just another example of America attacking the weak. Anyone who fights back generally kicks American ass.

Oh, and in case it escaped you, Saddam had nothing at all to do with the attack on 9/11. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlUi8-9TMU"]Bush admits Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]

 

WTF are you talking about??

Israel never denied health aid to Palestinians, in fact that's about 80% of the traffic that goes from the west bank and Gaza to Israel, i know this since i serve in the west bank nearly every year. I'm not saying Israel should get a special seat at the UN for it but dont say we deny them health care, the best they can get even thou they have hospitals,

YOUR tax $ to my country make about 5% of Israel annual budget, a whole 5%!!, you are no way near to owning us sweetie,

 

Iraq one = Kuwait. Iraq two I personally did not approve of still I didn't lose too much sleep to see a torturing murderous gassing his own people dictator be put to permanent sleep.

reva

 

Countries are usually founded by force and kept intact by force. Israel in that regard is not exceptional. To claim that Israel is more legitimate than 99% of countries is ludicrous. It got the UN approval because Jews have a lot of political clout around the world. Had the Palestinians had the same clout there would be no approval. One side was simply more powerful than the other and it exercised that power.

 

These facts:

It would be important for me to mention that the Negev was never surveyed by either the Ottoman Government or the British Mandatory. Hence there are no reliable records of land classification or registers of ownership except in and around the town of Beersheba.

As the document states: “The Negev has been inhabited from time immemorial by Bedouin tribes of Palestine who cultivated what areas they were able to depending on the amount of rainfall in a given year. Furthermore, it should not be forgotten that the Arab practices have been to rotate cultivation, that is, lands cultivated one year are left fallow for one or two subsequent years because of fertilizer and sufficient rainfall. Therefore, when it is estimated that the ‘cultivable’ lands of the Negev are only 2,000,000 dunums, it actually means that the cultivated lands in any or one year are in the neighborhood of that figure, and that the total cultivable lands of the region are at least twice the area cultivated in any one year.
As regards to the ‘uncultivable’ lands of the Negev, here also the rights of the Bedouin tribes should not be ignored. Neither the Ottoman Government nor the British Mandatory ever interfered with these rights over the whole territory. The whole of these lands are traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes. The fact that the Palestine Government did not include these lands under ‘Public’ but showed them separately and admitted in its memorandum to the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that “it is not safe to assume that all the empty lands south of Beersheba or East of Hebron are dead land” is proof that the Government recognized Arab rights and interests in these lands. In the circumstances, it is wrong to presume that the figure of 10,573,110 dunums appearing in the Village Statistics under the separate column of uncultivated Land is government-owned.”

The fact that this land belonged to the Bedouins was recognized. For example, in a report by the General Assembly stated “The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.” http://tinyurl.com/6ms9vn5

Whoever said 45?
Although, you continue to skip the fact that the British Publication recognized this: They never had any survey in the Negev by either the Ottomans or British, except in around the town of Beersheba. Hence, they recognized the land as unassigned - and not state land - because they did never took survey to find out whose land it was. The fact is that over 100,000 Bedouins lived in the Negev at the time. The British Publication recognized the Negev to belong to Arabs tribes.

This is why it would be some 88% of the land. This is also why in a United Nations report in 1947 they recognized the Arabs in ownership of a very similar amount of land - 85% - http://tinyurl.com/6ms9vn5

The The CCP Refugee Office also estimated that although only a little more than a quarter was considered cultivable, more than 80 percent of Israel's total area, represented land abandoned by the Arab refugees. About three-quarters of the former Arab land was sub-marginal land or semi-desert in the Negev.

Not the same land, they lost the entire coastal region in which currently about 78% or more of Israel's population resides. Plus there was an even amount of Arabs living in the designated Jewish state when the plan was presented. For example, the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine’s resolution, states that "the Jews will have the more economically developed part of the country embracing practically the whole of the citrus-producing area which includes a large number of Arab products."

That's the problem... It was not uninhabitable. Over 100,000 Bedouins lived in the Negev, and as their document states "from time immemorial." And they also mentioned that "The whole of these lands are traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes ... “it is not safe to assume that all the empty lands south of Beersheba or East of Hebron are dead land” The reason they say this is because they never took a survey on this land except around the town of Beersheba. Moreover, look at the above information which substantiates this.

As the (Mandate records 1937. Penny Maddrell, The Bedouin of the Negev, Minority Rights Group, Report no.81 (1990) p.5) states: "the British Mandate records affirm that 12,600,000 Dunums of Negev land belonged to the Bedouins (Arabs)."

It wasn't... If you have been reading what I said you would know that the Negev was indeed inhabited by many Arabs. Furthermore, the British publication states "Furthermore, it should not be forgotten that the Arab practices have been to rotate cultivation, that is, lands cultivated one year are left fallow for one or two subsequent years because of fertilizer and sufficient rainfall. Therefore, when it is estimated that the ‘cultivable’ lands of the Negev are only 2,000,000 dunums, it actually means that the cultivated lands in any or one year are in the neighborhood of that figure, and that the total cultivable lands of the region are at least twice the area cultivated in any one year."

Palestine was to be split up, aside of whether it was just or unjust, legal or illegal, workable or unworkable, had disregarded all political geographical and economical considerations had only one goal in view,: to include in the Jewish State the most fertile parts of Palestine and to give the Jewish State an access to the Red Sea. The Jewish state was even shaped awkwardly consisting of 3 corridors and separated the Arab State and from the international zone of the City of Jerusalem by irregular, imaginary lines which cut tens of the Arab villages in half and separated many other Arab towns and villages from their agricultural lands. This even left the hilly and arid parts of Palestine to form the more awkwardly shaped Arab Palestine. The fertile Huleh basin around Lake Tiberius and fertile Coastal Plains along the Mediterranean, were included in the Jewish state too! Resolution 181 in the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine's resolution, states that "the Jews will have the more economically developed part of the country embracing practically the whole of the citrus-producing area which includes a large number of Arab products." Even with the Negev (a place inhabited at the time by many Arabs) the Israelis would be better off. Since demographic studies show about 78% of Israelis live on 14% of the land - so the better part. The Palestinian state was to be the arid non-fertile mountainous region, when previously they owned a little over 84% of the cultivatable land in Palestine.

Yes, and the United Nations in their report state that 85% of the land belonged to Arabs: http://tinyurl.com/6ms9vn5

Plus it wasn't "someone else thought" it was the British Mandatory, Palestine Government at the time.

 

This would be a very good reply to a post praising pacifism, but in fact it is in reply to a post saying that war is a classic gray area (rather than an obvious moral good or moral evil). I would agree with RevAnarchists that some wars are necessary and that fewer are unavoidable, but how they are fought and for what reasons does matter. Unless RA is suggesting that ALL wars are moral goods, I suggest he reply to the point made in the post rather than the point he thought was made in the post.