Palestinians and the Greatest Political Scam of Modern Times

Let me rephrase this, I completely messed it up. This is what I meant:

26,323,023 dunums or (100%) of the land in Palestine, 12,766,524 dunums belonged to Arabs. Thus, 48.50% of the total lands of Palestine was under Arab ownership. Then out of the whole Negev which consists of 12,557,000 dunums of entire Palestine, 1,936,380 dunums belonged to Arabs - or 15.39% of the entire Negev was under Arab ownership, the rest of the Negev was undefined, but recognized as Arab land, because as they explained: "the whole of these lands were traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes and ... it is unsafe to assume that all lands south of Bersheeba or East of Hebron are empty."

48.50 + 40.16% (Because the Negev was recognized as Arab land) = 88.66% of the land under Arab ownership.

Also, public lands only consisted 5.67% of entire Palestine. It is also important to point out that this 5.67% of public lands includes all unsettled land. None of the Negev except 0.02% or 2,279 dunums were Public lands. Meaning these lands were not recognized as "unsettled lands." Especially sine over 100,000 Arabs inhabited the Negev.

Sorry, I worded it wrong last time - hopefully it will be much easier to see when I give the amount of dunums (or 1/4 of a acre)

 

Fine, so 48% of the land belonged to the Arabs in 1945 ( less by 1948 ) and that's about what they got during the partition. Case is still closed.


The rest is nothing more than your baseless speculations. Your attempts to "steal" the unassigned land notwithstanding, it's called "unassigned" for a reason - because it is UNASSIGNED - does not belong to anyone. Obviously the only organization that mattered - the UN considered it unassigned and gave the land without a people to a people without a land.

 

No you ignored what I had said. If you include ACTUAL land ownership you would find this:

48.50 + 15.39 = 63.89%

Let me explain this. The 48.50% of entire Palestine, with the Negev (40.16% of the land) as undefined. But if you include their statistics for the Negev with ownership, 1,936,380 dunums of the Negev belonged to Arabs - or 15.39%.

But the Palestine government at the time recognized the Negev as Arab land, thus it would be:

48.50 + 40.16 = 88.66%

 

You do have problems with arithmetic. Now that you are counting the Negev separately once again:

48% of 60% of the land without the Negev is less than half of the 60% which is 29%
15% of 40% (the Negev) is about 1/7th of 40% which is about 6%

The total is 29% + 6% - 35%. You are lucky you got 45% during the partition.

And you get zero (that you invented) percent of the unassigned land because it was unassigned to you, had no owners and was vacant.

 

Heh, sorry I have trouble with my wording. Let me rephrase it ONCE more.

 

Out of entire Palestine WITH ALL THE NEGEV CONSIDERED UNDEFINED LANDS then 48.50% of the land belongs to Palestinians. But if you include the Arab land ownership of the Negev (and not the entire thing undefined) which was mentioned in the "Village Statistics 1945" then you would add an additional 15.39%.

Thus, 63.89%. But the the Palestine Government recognized the entire Negev as ARAB land. Thus, 88.66% of the land belonged to Arabs.

 

Muslims need to get out of North America. It isn't safe for them here.

 

Who cares if it is called unassigned land or not? People lived their, and all those people were Arabs!! The Israeli's still try doing this, they claim that a certain portion of land is uninhabited, even thought Arabs live their, and then feel justified in going in and demolishing their village during the night!! The fact that it is called unassigned land, doesn't make it so.

 

Arithmetic lesson #1
Even if you want to add the Negev separately, 15% of 40% is 6% (not 15%)

Arithmetic lesson #2
If the Arabs officially owned 15% of the Negev it was already included in the 48% so you are counting it twice. And they did not officially own it and the number was not included in 48% that means it was not theirs.

Your best case 48%, your worst case 35%. Either case you got as much or more than what you owned. Unassigned and public land went to the Jews which was the idea behind giving a land without a people to a people without a land in the first place.

 

Except of course that was zionist propaganda, and objectively untrue!!

 

Why, watcha gonna do, vigilante man? Go kick some ******* ass or sumpn'?

 

EDIT: read the post below!

 

Okay, okay, okay... Let me fix this up...

Let me fix this...

Arabs owned 12,766,524 dunums or 48.50% of the land - including land their land in the Negev. The land was evenly distributed between the Jews and Public lands with a 5.67% of the land each.

The remaining parts of the land, which would be the 40.16% of the Negev was undefined because the Palestine Government recognized that "the whole of these lands were traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes and ... it is unsafe to assume that all lands south of Bersheeba or East of Hebron are empty." - since over 100,000 Arabs inhabited the Negev at the time.

The statistics were concluded by tax distribution lists, thus the Negev would be undefined because they were Bedouins, whom as the document described "lived there from time immemorial." It further explains that as to regards to the Negev, the names of the tax-payers were extracted from the Commutation of the Tithes Lists which showed the tax due by the tibe or sub-tribe, but seldom gave the names of the individuals. At any rate, the areas were ignored.

Thus, 88% of the land was recognized as Arab lands.

There... I actually thank you Borat for making me read the document correctly. I confused the hell outta myself for whatever reason...

 

Khalil, the part about 48.5% is fair enough. That's what the Arabs owned.

On the other had the claim that the remaining 40% of unassigned land (i.e. land without the owner) also belonged to the Arabs because according to an unconfirmed anonymous report it was "traditionally" considered as arab land by some anonymous obscure people/organizations that had no authority to re-assign the land - that's totally bogus.

LOL, no one gives a sh^t what the British or Arab (or Jewish for that matter) traditions were. The land was unassigned, it had no owners. Period. The Brits had no legal authority to assign it. None whatsoever.

The only authority in this matter was with the UN under which 'mandate' the UK was running the land. The UN correctly ruled - the land was unassigned, had no owners, scarcely populated by nomads...What some anonymous bureaucrat in the British government thought about it was and is totally and utterly irrelevant.

 

It would be important for me to mention that the Negev was never surveyed by either the Ottoman Government or the British Mandatory. Hence there are no reliable records of land classification or registers of ownership except in and around the town of Beersheba.

As the document states: “The Negev has been inhabited from time immemorial by Bedouin tribes of Palestine who cultivated what areas they were able to depending on the amount of rainfall in a given year. Furthermore, it should not be forgotten that the Arab practices have been to rotate cultivation, that is, lands cultivated one year are left fallow for one or two subsequent years because of fertilizer and sufficient rainfall. Therefore, when it is estimated that the ‘cultivable’ lands of the Negev are only 2,00,000 dunums, it actually means that the cultivated lands in any or one year are in the neighborhood of that figure, and that the total cultivable lands of the region are at least twice the area cultivated in any one year.
As regards to the ‘uncultivable’ lands of the Negev, here also the rights of the Bedouin tribes should not be ignored. Neither the Ottoman Government nor the British Mandatory ever interfered with these rights over the whole territory. The whole of these lands are traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes. The fact that the Palestine Government did not include these lands under ‘Public’ but showed them separately and admitted in its memorandum to the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that “it is not safe to assume that all the empty lands south of Beersheba or East of Hebron are dead land” is proof that the Government recognized Arab rights and interests in these lands. In the circumstances, it is wrong to presume that the figure of 10,573,110 dunums appearing in the Village Statistics under the separate column of uncultivated Land is government-owned.”

The fact that this land belonged to the Bedouins was recognized. For example, in a report by the General Assembly stated “The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.” http://tinyurl.com/6ms9vn5

 

A beetch slap to his face sounds good. What do you think?

 

Khalil, give it a rest. Nomads by definition of being nomads don't own land. The land was officially designated as unassigned, it had no owner at the time. The Sinai is populated by a small number of nomadic Bedouin tribes and is owned by Egypt, The Negev is populated by a small number of nomadic Bedouin tribes and is owned by Israel.

This is actually very racist of you to insist that a land sparsely populated by a tiny number of Muslim Nomads can't become part of a Jewish state.

 

what a puke comment.

They are all citizens of israel. Palestine dont have a government unless within the concentration camp, GAZA.

The sobs will take care of the children, no matter which religious orientation. They are all human beings, except YOU of course!

Your whole country is alive and running on MY TAX dollars. So shut up, be happy and take care of the children and screw your whinning about people thanking an occupying power.

WE are your lifeline so you, thank 'we the people' for israel even existing. And your hospitals to your weapons, money and nuclear weapons are because MY government is paying your fricken bills.

You go kiss them children and tell each of them, no matter the religious background, that 'we the people' and you as the parents (both sides) will give them the chance at peace, even if you have to die for it.

or you'll end up killing the whole lot of ya!

 

No they are not. They can't be, have never been, will never be...and moreover don't want to be citizens of Israel. And just like the US while occupying Iraq was not obligated to bring all sick and injured Iraqis to the US for treatment, Israel does not have such an obligation either.

Therefore bishadi repeat after me: "Thank you Israel for saving the lives of Palestinian children".

 

now do people see why i call the bigots swine?

and i suppose you think israel is a democratic state too?

have never been, will never be...

Them children are citizens; Are you intent on murdering your own people?

DO you actually consider anyone not a jew or zionist punk, to not be israeli and under duty of the government to serve and protect them?

why?

How about "i hate you bigots for creating brats!"

I will thank doctors for giving but never a religious state that my tax dollars paid for!

 

You got it all wrong. Palestinian children received medical treatment in Israel that they were not entitled to due to Israel's humanitarian and altruistic nature, the treatment was paid for by the Israeli taxpayer. If you were in Israel you'd have access to lots of top-notch psychiatrists and psychologists even though you are a muslim.

 

So I take it that you're not going to even attempt to refute any of my facts?

 

Not according to Victor Ostrovsky & Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi both of whom are Israelis and view Palestinians as victims.

 

Very good; further proof that Palestine had every right to reject the Plan.

 

What facts? You provided no facts, just anonymous speculations by an anonymous obscure and unauthorized bureaucrat that unassigned land is somehow assigned to you. The real facts are below:

Fact #1
Arabs owned 45-48% of the land before the partition

Fact #2
Arabs got about 45-48% of the land during the partition

Fact #3
About 40% of the land (mostly the Negev desert uninhabitable and unsuitable for agriculture) was unassigned, it had no owner. The UN, the only authorized international body on this matter, recognized the land to be unassigned

Fact #4
More than half of the land assigned to Israel during the partition was the Negev desert, uninhabitable and unsuitable for agriculture at the time

Fact #5
What someone else thought about the unassigned land was and is totally irrelevant, no one other than the UN had any right or authority to assign it.

Fact #6
You are entitled to your opinion but not to your facts (see Facts #1,2,3,4 and 5)