Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Meister Eckhart ? ---- OK .. Good to have a Idol .. but .. if you see Buddha by the side of the Road .. Kill him

This is an interesting perspective -- but it has absolutely Zero to do with Trinity Doctrine .... which states that Jesus is God .. Homoousios.
Now .. this does not make your perspective on "Jesus is God" right or wrong .. it is just what the Trinity States .. and as far as your claim that the Christians have gotten it wrong .. I concur --- The Trinity is a man made construct having no basis in Holy Scripture = The parts of Scripture that are Holy .. remember that. "The Parts" = NOT= "The Whole" comprende vous ?

That the HS is God.. sure -- OK --- as a symbolic representation -- an emanation from the Godhead however .. and not fully God .. although not separate from God .. like Jesus .. who is not God .. The Father .. but a separate being .. not directly connected .. nor a mere emanation from the Godhead .. any more than any man or woman. This is what the Holy Scripture depicts Jesus to be .. a ridiculous absurdity to see Jesus as depicted as if he is "The Father" .. some Co-Equal God .. that is the Father .. unable to save himself from the Romans .. forgetting who he is .. Yeah Not.

 

Let me ask you the question, how did you come about having the beliefs that you have? Like, how did you come about becoming an atheist, if that is your current belief system? Or if it's another then explain how you came about believing in it.

Ok thanks rstrats for your post.

 

Rubbish...back to you trev.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

That would be "AN" idol. But since when is an early Christian monk an "idol"? Maybe you're one of those who believe that as time goes on humanity gets a better and better understanding of what the bible says and means. But that would be not only false, but absurd to the extreme.

Bullshit. Give me the verse that says Jesus is God. Can you find one?

And your explanation of the Trinity, which isn't found anywhere in the bible, says the Holy Spirit and God are one also. What do you do with that?

It doesn't seem that YOU "comprende". Tell me, do you believe EVERYTHING there is to know and understand about all this is in the bible and there's nothing more to discover? That is essentially what you're saying, but my experience on this forum with "believers" is that when they feel their propaganda threatened with truth, or when they are confronted with a hard question or something they don't understand, they run; they go silent; they ignore and hope it's forgotten. We will see what you do.

See? You detect a truth trap. You're avoiding the facts of this conversation and injecting a deflection. MY ONLY MENTION OF "JESUS" WAS TO QUOTE A BIBLE VERSE ATTRIBUTED TO HIM - "I GO TO THE FATHER". And that's all. But you ONLY want to refer to "Jesus". So why don't you address someone who also wants to talk about Jesus?

Hell, did you even read what I wrote about the Trinity???? It seems you skimmed it and rejected a sketchy, erroneous conclusion you fabricated.

 

How about answering my questions in post 3220? Can't?

 

I'm not a student of Judaism or the OT. But I know the truth when I hear it. I know that you don't believe there is a God. But Judaism and the OT is all about God. So what can you possibly know about it to pretend to lecture me, leaving out the most important part. It's as if you are presenting Judaism as an empty tomb, rather than a living God.

 

You are right, I don't believe there is a god. However I was a Christian preacher and Bible Study leader for many years. The OT is about the Hebrews supposed relationship with Jahweh, Isaiah shows that quite clearly. If you're not a student of Judaism then you will not understand the OT. And Judaism isn't a 'living god' or 'empty tomb'. It's simply a belief in Yahweh for them to follow. Your comments are therefore meaningless.

 

If you don't know that God lives, then you know nothing about the OT or the NT. I personally know for myself by his spirit that God is real, that he lives and is divine, independent from the world, and the religions and traditions of men. You have rejected the tradition you were taught. But that isn't God. So your rejection of God is a bait and switch technique which the adversary uses to rob you by misdirecting your sentiments and getting you to associate God with the con.

 

You've said it all before. Live on in your dream. Your experience is explainable in science/psychology but you prefer to believe as you do. I believe someone on here had a similar experience but you refused his 'testimony'.

 

No, someone likened my testimony to a delusion, just as you wrongly conclude. And rather than living in a dream, I am awakened to life in God. One day in this life or after passing, you will know for yourself that God lives. And you will recognize and remember him just as I did and have said to you on multiple occasions, because you already know him but have forgotten. Knowing and forgetting him is how you will be able to remember him. And you will think, how could you have forgotten God. I'm not referring to the God of religion or of religious tradition or the Church's of men. But the true and living God, who dwells in heaven and in the hearts of those who know and love him.

 

Holy smack this is painful - you have absolutely no idea what was said to you.... Who told you I said Trinity doctrine was scriptural ... promising some magic verse .. I told you there is nothing in the Bible that supports the Trinity Doctrine.. Told you that Jesus always refers to "The Father" as other than himself .. that Jesus is NOT .. the Father.

"Can you find one verse" he cries ... I told you Trinity Doctrine is not Scriptural .. so why the hell would I find a verse ? -- This gripping strawman fallacy is this is followed by a raft of further strawman fallacy .. all kinds of made up accusations having nothing to do with me or anything I said.

What part of .. The Trinity Doctrine claims Jesus is God .. do you not understand .. and what part of .. this is not saying the Trinity Doctrine if Scriptural are you having trouble comprehending.

 

Sorry giff but your statement is not true. Although the word Trinity is not used in the Christian Holy Bible, the origin of the doctrine of the Trinity is the Christian Holy Bible.

Our Creator Almighty God is an infinite Being existing in eternity as three co-equal infinite Persons of one substance one essence yet distinct.

The Trinity consisting of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), the Holy Spirit is numerically one God.

Ok thanks giff for your post.

 

I guess you have some private interpretation of John 10:30.

Tell me what John 10:30 says.

 

Where do you find that?

 

Why is it that your god only reveals himself to certain people with 'experiences' and allows them to recognise him. Bit picky is'nt he, and a bit unfair to billions of 'his' creatures. And why does he allow religions to worship various gods instead of revealing himself to all?

 

One finds that each Person of the Trinity is distinct from each other by correctly interpreting certain verses from Scripture. And so you find it in Scripture, it comes to us from the Word of God. And so this is fundamental Christian teachings.

Aren't you an atheist? If not, then what is your belief system? Didn't you tell us just recently that there is no evidence for the existence of God?

Ok thanks Kode for your posts.

 

I don't know.

 

Oh cum on -- You know that if you go to any legitimate Reference Bible -- will tell you there is no definitive Trinity Statement anywhere in the NT. OK .. so lets get that bit of denial out of the way right off the top. This is not the claim some atheist web troller .. crying "No no no" for the point of opening mouth. .. This is what "Everybody" -- Theologians - Seminaries - Ministers - Priests - Cardinal's - Popes - Biblical Scholars admit --- everyone except the fundamentalist cults ..

Now that appeal to authority and popularity and overwhelming consensus proves something True .. but has some respect for the position of the other side -- and come up with a legitimate argument from your position. something other than restating premise fallacy .. or assumed premise fallacy. That is an unsupported premise mate ..

"Our Creator Almighty God is an infinite being" -- Maybe this unsupported claim is true - and IMO - In all likelihood the entity that created us is an infinite being !? .. BUT --- let us not fool ourselves into believing this is a fact -- someone believing such a thing without question, proof or even substantiation is one easily misled by the wolf -- soon they will be misled into putting God into a box and shortly after that -- speaking for God.

On what basis do you state this claim defacto Mitt ? Does Jesus claim that "The Father" is an infinite being ? -- and what is an infinite being anyway ? as infinity in the way you are using the term is the same as Nothing.. thus you are claiming that our Creator is Nothing .. in a strange sense of the word .. but regardless .. a defacto claim of an underfined term -- is a nothing claim to begin with ..

What else about this creator other than meaningless nonthingness did you wish to relate ? "three co-equal infinite Persons of one substance one essence yet distinct" - Good grief what a mouthful of man made dogma ... in addition to being infinite.

KK -- how can you have three infinities in the first place -- but, even if you could one infinity can not be distinct from the other .. as all infinities include everything .. and are exactly the same.

but more importantly - where is your support for this wildly impossible claim ?? --- There is no support for this Claim from the lips of Jesus .. this thing you are claiming is not from the lips of the Logos .. is not "The Word .. nor The Way .. nor The Truth" from Lord Jesus.

Not only is there no affirmation of this wild impossible claim in "The Word" = (Paul don't count . sorry .. not that Paul said anything on the subject either but to make a distinction you so often miss) Paul ain't "The word" .. but we digress .. Not only do we not have this wild claim of yours coming from Jesus - the man made dogma your only support -- the hands of men that do the devils work of deception - We have hundreds of times in Scripture where Jesus denies what you are claiming.

What part of "Jesus denies what you are claiming" - is not sinking in .. and he does so in clear - unambiguous language not subject to alternate interpretation .. and 2) .. he denies your false claim .. over 100 times .. it is not like it is one cherry picked out of context difficult to interpret vague passage that might be a possibility. No .. you are clearly denied .. over 100 times .. yet you do not hear "The Word" of Lord Jesus.

What is perhaps worse -- or at least in addition to not hearing the word -- you are in a desperate effort to deny "The word" .. supplant the Logos with ... some man made dogma - and we know what governs the hand of man .. do we not Mitt ?

If Ha Satan - Tester of Souls - Chief God over the Earth at least until the time of Christs return- is going to deceive you -- is not going to show up with horns - red cape and a tail Brother Mitt. The Prophet told you this before .. but you do not listen. Hearken not to the Idol Martin - the source of his words clear for all who have eyes to see -- Prophesied by our Lord this Wolf - we shall know them by their fruit Brother Mitt --

What kind of fruit is this Brother Mitt ? "On the Jews and their Lies" --- famous treatise by your Lord Martin h---- and what other books have you been reading my young apprentice .. Oh .. what is this Brother Mitt -- another book by Emperor Constantine .. who .. through his great stature as "The Anointed one of God" - "Pontifex Maximus" -- Deemed Jesus "Homoousios" --- "of the same substance" - with the Father .. which means not only that Jesus was being raised to the level of the Father .. but that the Father was being lowered to the level of Jesus ... a man helpless to save himself from the evils of men ..a man who's will is distinct and counter to that of "The Father"

So how does this work Mitt ? this support for your wild impossible claim that is anti-Christ. We have a King -- who usurps the position of the Logos -- "Potifex Maximus" -- same as was adopted later by the anti-christ Popes -- having the divine ability to speak God's word through the Holy spirit .. .. just like Jesus .. and the purpose of Jesus ... now replaced by human hands .. and human hands airire controlled by who Mitt .. who is influencing these human hands you wish to worship .. and convince others to follow -- with this tale of deception -- telling folks that You know things about God .. Defacto .. that you don't .. telling us that this wild impossible claim is "The Word" of Jesus when it is the antithesis of the Truth ..

Hearken not to the hands of man for the gifts of the spirit brother Mitt .. as those spirits you know not their source and thus have been fooled into preaching the word of Lord Martin and Lord Ha Satan ..

 

OH!!! It's a "personal and private interpretation"!!! So then I am no less correct than you are when I say the Trinity is not about "distinct persons" but is about three different views of one God.

Yes, but at the time I referenced I was at least as completely onboard with the god-story as any "believer". In fact I was into it deeper than most every "Christian" dares to go.

 

So what was that previous life you recalled if you don't mind me asking? More than likely it originated from your dreams. The Word of God tells us that we have only one life to live on earth then comes judgment and so there is no such thing as previous lives and I know there are people (religious groups) who believe in reincarnation. But as Christians we don't believe in reincarnation it is unbiblical.

Besides the Holy Bible which is the Word of God there are other evidences that supports the existence of Almighty God.

Well actually He has revealed Himself to all people, in the sense that we all know the truth about God because He has made it obvious to us and so we all have no excuse for not knowing Him.

We Read in Scripture:

19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Romans 1:19-20 NLT

Now below I want to present a video that comes from my favorite Christian Ministry. They answer the question: What does the Bible say about reincarnation?



Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

It was "non-descript". It was just a glimpse of, or impression of, living previously. I don't put any stock in it but it demonstrates my feelings and conclusions about the claims of believers "knowing" there is a god.

Biblical or not, I don't believe in it either. My view is scientific now and not based on any cultish dogma.

But you didn't mention any. I challenge you to present ANY for scrutiny and discussion.

That is a cultivated opinion. I see no evidence of such a thing. So you're asking me to believe because you believe. God has revealed himself to no one. It's all activity of mind.

I don't care. Why would I care. That proves nothing. It's just words written to develop and support a cult. There's no reliable, provable, testable substance to it.

But you didn't answer the question I asked you. You said "Well it certainly wasn't the Word of God revealing this to you, for there is no where written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible where God tells us what you claim was revealed to you." So I asked you:
"Do you trust God? I did. And I received. So was that which I received from God or not?"

Actually I find "believers" like yourself commonly ignore and don't attempt to answer questions. I've asked you and Gift and Injeun many and never got an answer. You need to know that such failures to respond add significantly to the skepticism of skeptics.

 

Fair enough.

 

What answerable question have you asked me that I ignored.

 

What does interpretation of John 10:30 have to do with the fact that Trinity Doctrine states that Jesus is God - and your false claim that I stated that the Trinity was Biblical ?

Now admit that you were completely out to lunch -- accusing me of things I did not say -- and that in the future you will try harder to understand what is posted to you .. and then hoping there is a chance you might understand what is being said to you .. will explain to the blind masses why "I and the Father are One" is not Jesus telling you that he is the Father ..

 

Check post 3159. Did you respond to/answer those?