Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

So you are saying that all historians, archaeologists, students of the ancient world are all being fooled and you and GotQuestions are right? Tell me how Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees. He must have lived at least 1400 years as the Chaldeans don't come inrto history for that period of time. Tell me how Noahs mountain covering flood happened when it is impossible on the earth your god created.Tell me why a Moses and Joshua would lead Israel from Egypt into a land already ruled by Egypt? Out of the frying pan into the fire.

You say '
So are you saying that the Qu'ran has changed many lives means little too? I'm a Christian not a Muslim that explains that.



So are you also saying that many other religions has changed lives means little too? I'm a Christian not a follower of the many other religions that explains that.

That explains nothing.

You say ' You told us you did study outside of the Bible which influenced you to become an atheist. Didn't you have the ability to think for yourself instead of having to rely on that study you did that influenced you to become an atheist? So does this show your ignorance of the ancient world by having to rely on the study outside of the Bible?

That statement makes no sense whatever. The Bible gives little history of the world of the time. You need to study outside to understand that.

I really think your understanding is limited to what you are told and nothing else.

There is no religion of atheism. I'm on here to refute the nonsense you keep posting.

 

Nope, let's get this straight, trev believes he is correct and you believe trev is correct but it doesn't necessarily mean what both of you believe to be correct/true is correct/true...capiche?

Let's not forget what beliefs are.

We have to remember that while animals are not capable of speaking, there are powerful beings out there (God, the angels, satan, the demons) who are capable of the impossible, including enabling animals to speak.

Most scholars hold that it was satan (devil) in the Garden of Eden who was speaking through the snake, not the snake itself speaking on its own. Thus, the Genesis 3 account it is not suggesting that snakes were of an intellect that would have enabled them to speak coherently.

Oh you mean the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Obviously you have a misconception of this tree of knowledge let alone not fully understanding/knowing why God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden.

Here let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they will answer the question, "Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?"

Hopefully after viewing this video you will come away with perhaps a much clearer understanding of, as you put it, "a tree that imparts knowledge".

It came from Almighty God.

We Read in Scripture:

Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word

1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him. John 1:1-3 NLT

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

So it's not a fact that Christianity was influenced, shaped, adapted and adopted from previous religions?

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/influence-mystery-religions-christianity

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1205/early-christianity/

https://www.deseret.com/2012/8/23/20431259/christianity-influenced-much-by-unknown-theologian-philo/

https://www.torreys.org/philo-art/philo&beg.html

Philo was the earlier source of the concepts of "The Word" !!

In order to obtain a following it was normal and standard in years BC for existing religions and their concepts and holidays to be folded into the new one. For example, Christmas.

capiche?

LOL!!!! YA THINK??? Got any evidence? Can you produce anything to show that it is a fact that "powerful beings" exist? Anything? Of course not. All you can do is to support your beliefs with beliefs.

I would accept an explanation that reveals such bible stories as spiritual teachings of spiritual principles, but any statement of belief that a snake of other creature was made to speak is to take the bible literally as an historic record of fact, and that is not acceptable in its childish absurdity. I see it as an attempt by the writer to explain how we got ourselves into this predicament of being uniquely trapped between good and evil by utilizing a mythical "Garden of Eden", and the "serpent" is a metaphor for MIND, which is where justifications of evil happen. But I and many other rational people recognize a talking snake as a childish fantasy.

No, as I've just shown it is you and other "believers" who have the misconceptions. The bible itself TELLS YOU that "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." (2nd Corin. 3:6). AND it says that "spirit" is what was preached and NOT the "letter". What do you think "the letter" is?????

See? You live happily confined to a trap in which your beliefs are supported by beliefs that spring from beliefs. You have nothing whatsoever to stand on.

 

I wanted to revisit this because there is so much more to be dealt with. EVERYTHING I have said is biblical and how it is biblical was revealed to me. It's "only" a question of reading and understanding it spiritually, or reading and understanding only "the letter" as the bible says. I understand it spiritually. You are resisting the spiritual and clinging to "the letter".

No, you're WAYYYyyyyyy off base and talking nonsense. And BTW you have no business telling others what they believe, found, or were given. You are not God.

So you're saying you don't trust God. You didn't respect what I've said elsewhere in this thread, that I prayed and asked the HS to stand at the door to my consciousness and not let anything unGodly enter. Then I testified that I was dropping all judgement, guarding, and that I was completely vulnerable to whatever may come and would accept all that I receive without question or doubt. I surrendered all. Very soon I began receiving entire explanations of verses and chapters that had previously been a mystery to me.

Now, are you going to tell me what I received was not of God just because you don't see it as I do?

So, now it comes out! You confess here that you neither believe the bible you claim to understand, nor do you believe what it says Jesus said. You're an unbeliever!!!

"The kingdom of God is within you" said Jesus to the unbelieving Pharisees!!! But you want to believe God only "comes to dwell in" those who believe and accept because otherwise it doesn't make sense to your mind of the natural man!

Prove it. Detail it out. SHOW ME how it is "unbiblical". EVERYTHING I have said is supported by the bible. And apparently you are unable to show otherwise or you would have.

 

He asked "Where are the victims?" (of being grabbed by the "*****"). E Jean Carroll.

 

Well Mitt, I've been waiting for your reply and I've waited long enough. I would like to see you go back to my post that you're replying to here, and post and explain the verses I listed . . . . . -tell me what they mean. Once again those verses are:

Gal 4:27 as it relates to 1st Corin. 6:17,
1st John 3:6,
1st John 5:18,
Colossians 3:11,
and the connection that 2nd Corin 4:4 has with Genesis 1:26-27.

Again, please post each verse and then post what it is saying, then the next, and then the next. I suspect you're reading some BS kiddy version of the "bible" that spins it "to make it simple for the kids" and ends up distorting the meaning.

 

The victims are all women.

 

Trumps victims or P Diddy ?

 

Good Grief Mitt - quoting scripture you don't understand .. making claims on behalf of Almighty God .. putting words in his mouth. This is confusion Mitt ..

If the Almighty gave us Humans "The Logos" concept .. .. your mistranslated passage should read "Logos" and not word .. and should say that in a footnote .. then he gave it to Philo .. and not the Author of John .. Do you not understand ?

Now the Author of John .. writing in the first part of the 2cnd century .. is trying to use religious terminology and ideas familiar to the common person .. and because of Philo .. and the Platonic School of Philosophy .. 500 years old at this period in time the people are familiar with what you are claiming is "God's word"

You are mistaken that all of John is God's' word .. the author is reporting what he knows about Jesus .. when Jesus is speaking in the story .. that is "God's word" .. not every man made word on the page. Jesus .. The Logos .. is God's word .. not Paul writing a letter to some Church that is misbehaving .. The Logos is God's word Mitt .. Paul is not the Logos .. and a whole lot of his writings are very very "Uninspired" right Brother Mitt !?

 

Your very last statement above is hilarious. So essentially you're saying you being the atheist that you are know the true meanings of those verses free of distortion. And me being the Christian that I am will distort the true meanings of those verses...you funny guy you!...lol

Well I suspect or I really should say I know whatever your interpretations of those verses are there is no doubt in my mind that they will all be misinterpretations by you.
The one big mistake that I have found numerous non-believers like yourself make Kode is that you take single verses out of context then end up misinterpreting it...distorting the meaning.

To avoid that mistake you need to read the entire passage from where that verse came from then you can properly interpret the true meaning of what the writer is trying to convey over to you the reader. Lots of times when you make the mistake of taking single verses out of context you will misinterpret its true meaning.

So, let's do this, you give me your interpretations first then I will tell you if they're right or wrong.

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

Gift my boy, where have you been hiding...under a rock or something?...lol

Ok thanks Gift for your post.

 

Who is pdiddy, a singer?

 

Yes Mitt -- the decepticons have a habit of running away from the word and hiding - deflecting from the Truth - engaging in thought stopping tactics.

So .. how about responding to the part you cherry picked out ... the part about God's word Mitt .. and how you misunderstand what is .. and what isn't

 

Puff Daddy .. famous rapper and producer -- huge sex scandal just put into google .. cops raided 3 of his mansions .. sex trafficking accusations .. but point was many of his victims were men.

 

Did you miss my post in which I explained my years of practice of the prayer methods and guidelines of the early Christians, and how I surrendered all to receive directly from the H.S.? All my posts here on the bible and bible verses are aimed at revealing what I received during those years.

So yes, I went much deeper into the Spirit and what the bible says the Spirit will reveal when you do as I did. And yes the modern "Christian" is afraid of the Truth revealed by the Spirit, preferring man's opinions about it, much like the fear I detect in you to do as I asked and explain the meanings of the verses I listed. Are you going to do it?

Yes, there's that fear.

Try me.

 

So @Mitt Ryan , I'll make it even simpler for you. Tell me how the most literal meaning of the following cannot be what is intended. I'm curious as to what you will reply, if anything.


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Romans 2:29 - "but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter"
and ......
2 Corinthians, 3:6: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

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Colossians 3:9-11 -
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

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Luke 17:20-21 (ASV, NKJV)
20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within ["entos"] you.

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1 John 3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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Genesis 1:27 - "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God
 He created him; male and female He created them."

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Ephesians 4:4
1 - I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the calling wherewith ye were called,
2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 giving diligence to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.


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I have a ton of such verses that are so confusing to "believers". Here are some "bonus questions".....

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These are all saying the same thing. What is it? .....
Isaiah 2:22 - "Sever yourselves from such a man, whose breath is in his nostrils; for of what account is he?"

1 Corinthians, 2:14 - "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1 Corinthians 3:18 - "If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For wisdom of this world is foolishness with God."

Romans 8:7 - the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be
Romans 8:8 - Romans 8:8 - "they that are in the flesh cannot please God."

Romans 2:29 - "A true Jew is one who is a Jew inside. True circumcision is done in the heart. It is done by the Spirit, not by the written law."

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1st John 3:2-3
2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

Gal 5:24 - "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Mark 8:34-35 "Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it."

 

So you know that Philo's concept of "The Logos" preceded the use of the term in the bible and the bible actually adopted Philo's meaning of the term?

 

Where did you get that 2 years for Matthew and 40 days for Luke?

So cite your source. It appears you've been fed false info, that is what happens when you go outside of the Bible with that study of yours that you mentioned you partook.

Truth be told, there is no way to tell precisely how long Joseph, Mary, and baby Jesus stayed in Egypt before it was safe for them to leave Egypt and return back to Israel simply because Scripture doesn't give us any precise details.

No wonder my favorite Christian Ministry didn't give you a definitive answer because truth is there is no definitive answer just guesswork/conjecture. Some say they stayed in Egypt as short as 30 days to as long as up to a year and to everything else in between.

Let me present this video below regarding "How long did Mary, Joseph & baby Jesus stay in Egypt?"



Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

Jesus was God Incarnate. The Bible is the inspired Word. Work out the rest of it from that beginning point. You have been given a preponderance of scientific evidence that Jesus Christ a rose from the dead. You can deny it, you can explain it away, and you would be just like the Devil

 

Gift just recently I gave you a very thorough explanation regarding the Holy Bible as being inspired by God or in other words the Holy Bible is the Word of God.

Apparently nothing sunk into that cerebral cortex of yours...lol

So you should read it again, that post is on pg. 131, #3265. I strongly recommend that you go back and read it again.

No Gift, truth is all of Paul's writings are very very inspiring because let's not forget, all Scripture is inspired by God.

We Read in Scripture:

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

Ok thanks Gift for your post.

 

My Goodness Brother Mitt .. the claim that all scripture is the word of the same God is demonstrably false preposterous nonsense. Then to add insult to injury .. you go on to cite pious fraud .. 2 Peter is not written by the Disciple Peter .. as God's direct word .. making no use of the cerebral cortex that God Gave you.

Are the Veda's breathed by the same God as yours Brother Mitt ? all scripture is "God Breathed" - I hope this God you are speaking of is not the God of Jesus .. as this is high blasphemy of the Holy Spirit .. usurping the position of Jesus .. putting words in the mouthy of the Supreme one.

But what else is new for the decepticons right ? the Minions of your God Ha Satan .. usurping the Position of the Logos .. Job #1.

Who is this God who you are claiming to have breathed all scripture -- what is the name/identity of this Mystery God .. Chief God right Mitt .. Chief God on earth.. the God who tested Jesus -- the Tester of souls ..

Paul does not claim his letters and writings are God's word -- So lost is this dogma. Why do you wish to supplant the word of Jesus with the words of Paul ?

Who is this God Brother Mitt .. to which you submit ? you say you know his Word .. then tell us the command of your God ... so that we may follow this God's word and be put right with this God.

Tell us what your God commands us to do with the Children of Sinners .. Do we kill the child for the sin of the Parents .. or .. do should we not kill the child for the sin of the Parents .. let each be punished for his own sin.

This is the 5th time I have asked you for this .. at which point you disappear .. as do the minions of man's hands .. those under the influence of Lord Ha Satan.

 

That's a belief.

That's another belief.

Where? What? When? I have been given no "scientific evidence" that a belief is anything more than faith and vice versa.

There is no "devil" unless you have reliable evidence that goes well beyond belief.

 

As time has passed, the mind of man has gradually altered the original meaning of scriptures to make it "more understandable to the carnal, worldly mind of man". ALL religions have done this. There is no exception. And the NEW LIVING TRANSLATION is one of the most carnal, worldly translation the mind of man has yet invented.

The translation of 2 Timothy 3:16-17 which is more faithful to the original, while not perfect, is "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

I noticed you dodged post 3291.

 

"Scientific evidence that Jesus Christ Rose from the Dead" ?? Brother Todd .. someone has been pulling your chain .. take it from the scientist in the room.. and yank yourself out of the falsehoods from - in your words - "the Devil"

Trust not in signs and wonders from snake charmers my young apprentice .. but hearken to The word of Jesus who spoke the word of God through the Holy Spirit .. not Paul .. Not Isaiah .. but from the lips of Jesus you will find salvation .. Let no word crafted by human hands usurp the Logos .. U understand ?

 

Gifted, once again, you show your total ignorance