Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Unless God used methods that somehow blatantly break our current understanding of physics or logic, I don't see why it wouldn't be explainable.

See Douglas Adams' quote on the conscious puddle.

All orbits are ellipses, not circles. Unless you have a body with a very small mass orbiting something with a very large mass. Or if there is a binary star system.

You need to prove this, not just claim that it's true.

 

You need to learn to read more carefully. No wonder guys like you always misinterpret the bible....lol

I did not say the earth's orbit around the sun is in circles but what I did say is that the earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit.

Key words are: very nearly circular obit....meaning it is not a circular orbit

Lastly I don't need to prove anything that I believe. You need proof?...tough you are never going to get the proof you seek...sorry but that's just the way it is my friend.

 

Then why are you here?!

 

Go back to pg. 1 of this thread and read my the first post I made. That should explain why I am here....sheesh! that's the same thing I've said for all the threads I started on this topic of "Post Your Tough Questions....." It was never meant to be a debating thread trying to prove or disprove anything but to explain things about Jesus/Bible/God.

One would think by now a person like you would know that...after all you have been a frequent visitor to these threads.

 

Why would you request tough questions with no intent of debating the answers you try to provide?

Unless you simply want to express an opinion and then walk away....which does seem to be what you are doing. If this is the case, why would anyone bother to answer your thread in the first place?

This is after all, a debate forum.

 

Then have a mod close this thread and stop wasting everyone's time with this senseless meandering. You have ducked and dodged everything thrown at you and when your stumped you spit out scripture as though that proves anything. Proof is a two way street. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence not duck and dodge tactics or circular logic.

 

So... you're here to make claims and not discuss those claims? If that is true, I'm going to ignore the rest of your postings.

 

hooray.

 

Quote Posted by violadude on pg. 13 #129 of Part 3

If everything God does is perfectly moral because he is inherently moral, why is it that it apparently would go against God's perfect justice to just let everyone into heaven?
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God has given all of us free will. God's creation of free will beings must allow for the possibility of rejecting God completely.

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all.

They feel that God will just let them into heaven because because they have behaved just as good and maybe even better compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve.

Everyone who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. Since there is no sin in heaven, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again...for all eternity! This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven.

Of course, all of us humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ.

Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow everyone into heaven? It would be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative which is complete submission to God.

All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

The free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ is for anyone who wants it. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride.

Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

 

Preaching to yourself again and pretending to know what God thinks ?

 

No, not at all, I'm just answering questions. And furthermore what I post is backed up by scripture and so yes, I know what He thinks because He has told us in scripture as written in the Holy Bible.

 

Scripture was written by man and is full of contradictions. I highly doubt that God contradicts himself.

For example: How does one get into heaven ? The Bible gives contradictory answers so we really do not know.

 

Buy an entrance card and you will know you bought an entrance card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmRCCy7Bta8

 

Interesting theory. This format is like a get out of jail card. I can conduct myself in the most vile ways thinkable but as long as I buy the entrance card its all good !

This explains why the Popes were so nasty in the days of old.

 

I, too read the Holy Scriptures, so I know what God wants me to do. I've always followed his commandmants regarding slavery, for example:

Leviticus:

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All of my slaves are either from the heathen, or else from strangers who have sojourned among me. God is pleased with me.

 

So you are 100% sure you have a seat in heaven then.

 

Bye bye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZsweuaqAf8

 

Later gator .. thx for coming out !

 

I will tell you how to get to heaven. Heaven is uniting with God in His Kingdom, so in order to unite with God one must become like God...and this is where we need God's help. We can't do it on our own.

 

The New Testament was written by different people, and after a certain amount of years so there is bound to be differences in the versions. These can hardly be called contradictions though. Haven't you ever played 'telephone'? There were even more writings, but they were found to be inaccurate so they were discarded by the Church Fathers.

 

When you play "telephone", you start with a phrase and whisper it from one person to another. The hilarity of the game is how the final product has nothing to do with the original phrase.
Are you certain you want to use this as your theological analogy?
Ironically, the people who don't hold scripture in quite so high regard as you seem to would most likely find this analogy very, very near to the historical reality.

 

Really? So the writers who were supposedly eyewitnesses some 40 years after the proposed character they write about are not contradictory? All written in 2nd and 3rd person. So take for example, if they were all at the tomb then:

Matthew 27: 62-66, concerning the guards. Matthew claims the guards were not sent to the tomb until the day after. The author of Mark makes no mention of guards, nor does Luke.

The stone, rolled away or not? Their accounts differ here as well.

Who was at the tomb? Again their accounts differ.

These are not testimonies of people who were actually at the tomb. The inconsistencies are many.

No. They just did not fit the churches idea of a saviour of mankind. The very earliest we have is the Muratorian Canon late 2nd Century AD......it took the church 400 years to decide what books would be ok.......400 years after the so called life and death of this jesus.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/muratorian.html / http://www.christian-history.org/muratorian-canon.html#sthash.wykMwaGP.dpbs

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canonselect.html

 

That is an interesting theory. A couple of points. If one goes by Genesis we are already like God.

As far as uniting with God if one makes it to heaven this could be considered "meeting/uniting with God" This does not really tell one how to get to heaven but only describes what happens in heaven.

We are no closer to an answer to the question "what must one do in order to get into heaven"

 

The your telephone analogy is pertinent as message of Jesus was through oral tradition. By the time the synoptics were written who knows how much the story had changed.

There are numerous contradictions in the Bible. One can google Bible contradictions and pull up more than 50 of them. Some are fairly lame but others are real and not able to be explained away.

One of those contradictions is in relation to how one gets into heaven. Pauline doctrine (salvation by faith alone) as opposed to what Jesus and the disciples taught which included works.

 

Quote Posted by violadude pg. 13 #129 of Part 3:

If evil is necessarily a bi-product of free will, and heaven will be eternally devoid of evil, does that mean we lose our free will in heaven? And if yes, what was the point of God giving it to us in the first place?
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No, we will not lose our free will in heaven and we will not sin for all eternity once in heaven. Scripture tells us, the saved, once glorified, will no longer sin throughout eternity.

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever." Rev. 21:4 NLT

"Nothing evil will be allowed to enter, nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life." Rev. 21:27 NLT

The saved will have a new, divine nature in Christ. This nature cannot sin, just as Christ cannot sin. Even though Jesus could not sin, He was still free. Therefore, we can exist with free will in heaven and we will not sin.

We know this is not an illogical idea, since no one argues that God has no free will, yet God cannot sin. So, it is possible for a being to exist, be truly free and not able to sin.