Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Thedimon, Oct 23, 2019.

  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    8,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You are just jealous you don’t have 5th generation aircraft.
    Your country opted not to buy them because F35 are high maintenance planes and you can barely keep just a few of your crappy eurofighters in working order.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2019
    zoom_copter66 and pjohns like this.
  2. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    8,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is the picture of peaceful Vlad:

    9A57BCC0-B617-45CF-9BA7-972D1CCC97DA.jpeg
     
  3. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2018
    Messages:
    5,754
    Likes Received:
    3,162
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Heck germany doesn't even have a functionnal airforce.
     
    zoom_copter66 and Thedimon like this.
  4. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    A Eurofighter costs 30% more than a F-35.

    The F-35 is to slow and has only one engine, which means she lacks acceleration. We opt for the better plane. Faster, more power.

    As usual your bullshit makes no sense.

    So we are jealous that we dont buy something that is cheaper but chose the more expensive option.
     
  5. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    We plan to change that and currently have the worlds biggest defense deal on the market. A defense deal that the F-35 lost.

    It was quite easy. One point we demand is, that teh aircraft reaches Mach 2.4. The f-35 max out at Mach 1.8. Too slow.
     
  6. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    What makes you think Putin is celebrating Syria ?

    Now Russia has to deploy Russian army MP's to Syria to patrol the Turkish/Syrian border and just the logistics involved on getting vodka from Russia to its soldiers in Syria has been a logistical nightmare.

    Putin was just happy with reoccupying its advance naval base in Tartus.
     
    Talon likes this.
  7. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    So how fast is a typhoon fully loaded with bombs gas and missiles on it's external hardpoints creating drag?

    Here is a history lesson for you.

    The republic f105 thunderchief was designed to carry tactical nukes in an internal bombbay. If was the fastest plane of its time. Supersonic in level flight at ground level.
    However when laden with bombs for conventional warfare mig 17s had no particular trouble attacking them.

    Speed is only valuable if you can use it..

    You are lambrogini calling ferrari slow..

    Now take your typhoon load it with thousand pounders and a load of amraams and sidewinders. And then tell me it's speed.
    Without that load the typhoon is garbage.

    And considering an f-22 will have downed it before it knew it was under attack who cares?

    You calling it garbage doesn't make it so.
     
  8. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    8,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yep, because your country has incredible track record of NOT maintaining its warplanes in working order.
    What do you have functional that is ready to fight right now? 5-10 planes? Belarus is more capable to kick butt than your Germany.
    Sorry, dude, Germany might have strong economy but nobody fears your military.
    F35s are known for being high maintenance planes and Merkel opted not to buy because she knew - they’ll be grounded within a month or two and your inept Air Force (if can can even call it that) cannot keep up with the maintenance schedule.
    That’s the reason they are crappy airplanes to you - it’s not the performance, it’s the fact that you need to maintain the machine instead of running it without maintenance for years as if it was some kind of a tractor.
     
  9. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    8,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am all for Russia trying itself out at keeping peace in Middle East.
    Let them spend their resources on that. The region is a dark hole - stuff comes in, nothing comes out except oil.
     
    Blaster3 and Talon like this.
  10. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,522
    Likes Received:
    13,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have forgotten your schooling -

    I stated that the Russians had produced 20 MT missiles but, that they no longer do because these are not as efficient as multiple smaller MIRV's. As usual you make false claims about what I said in order to have something to attack.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-36_(missile)


    Why not .. these weapons can be taken out of storage and used against us ... but this matters not. 100 F35's have no ability to take out 1500 nuclear missile sites prior to launch. Your claim is laughable.

    What increased activity ? You are making stuff up on the fly. Please describe for us what increased activity prior to launch of an ICBM looks like.

    More made up nonsense. Who said one missile could reach New York and Chicago ? - certainly not I.

    More schooling for you - try and pay attention this time.
    https://armscontrolcenter.org/multiple-independently-targetable-reentry-vehicle-mirv/

    Pssst .. over hear - newsflash for you - Chicago is 1145 Kilometers from New York - so you are wrong on both counts

    1) I never stated that one missile could hit both Chicago and New York
    2) If I had said this - it would have been true.

    Do you not tire of having your backside handed to you ?
     
  11. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    The Eurofighter has 2 engines and the F-35 only one. Should answer your question.
     
  12. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,522
    Likes Received:
    13,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And what did we do ... Nothing .. and what will we continue to do (sans attacking a EU nation that matters which Putin is not going to do) --- Nothing.
     
    Sobo likes this.
  13. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The F-35 is a cheap aircraft.

    It doesnt fit in our demands. Speed and power.
     
  14. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    The f105 has one engine and the f 4 phantom had 2..
     
  15. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,522
    Likes Received:
    13,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The F-22 is a good plane. The F-35 - not so much.

    Your claim that the F-22 will have downed the opposition before it knows it is under attack is PR-Spin.

    According to one of the people who was involved in the design of the F-16 and the A-10 .. "Stealth is a Scam"

    "WW2 Radars can see every stealth plane we have"

     
    Ethereal likes this.
  16. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    The problem with Mach 2.4 on other fighter jets...it sucks up a whole crap pounds of JP fuel.

    Where as the F-35 is somewhat different from other supersonic warbirds.
    The F-35 was never intended to be a supersonic fighter.
    But the F-35 can fly at Mach 1.2 for 150 miles without the use of an afterburner !!!

    The F-35 is not an air superiority fighter so it doesn't have to fly fast to run away from an enemy fighter on it's donkey.

    The F-22's and F-15's will take care of escorting the F-35's.

    Not really sure what the USAF doctrine is with the F-35 but the U.S.Navy's F-35C's will fly with FA-18 Super Hornets. and EA-18 Growlers.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2019
  17. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    47,030
    Likes Received:
    26,619
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Their logistics have sucked for years - that's one way we could tell the Kremlin planned and prepared for the invasion of Georgia months in advance. They could barely keep the units they managed to mobilize supplied in a cross-border operation and their comms were so bad some of their soldiers had to use cell phones to communicate with one another. I remember hearing the stories about how the Georgians would listen in on their phone calls to figure out the Russian troop movements. It was laughable.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2019
    pjohns and APACHERAT like this.
  18. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,522
    Likes Received:
    13,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When Russia invaded Georgia and Ukraine - what did we do ? Nothing... and we will continue to do nothing.

    The point here is that Russia is not going to attack a mainstream European Nation such as France.. and Russia did - These nations are perfectly capable of defending themselves - no need for the F-35.

    Do you not realize how limited Russia's offensive capabilities are ? (sans nukes and cruise missiles) ... they have a total of one (1) aircraft carrier .. and we are not even sure if this is operable - dry dock issues.

    Russia is going to protect its strategic interests .. such as the port in Ukraine that Russia has held for 400 years.
     
    Ethereal likes this.
  19. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2013
    Messages:
    38,026
    Likes Received:
    16,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As soon as these Arabs learn that the USA or Russia or France or the UK are no longer going to fight their wars for them...Arabs will stop trying to kill each other.
     
    ArchStanton and Thedimon like this.
  20. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,522
    Likes Received:
    13,720
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Or .. they will continue to kill each other but, not do it on our dime. It is a win win .. either way.
     
    ArchStanton, Blaster3 and APACHERAT like this.
  21. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,121
    Likes Received:
    8,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Your demands for gathering dust?
     
    pjohns likes this.
  22. Sobo

    Sobo Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2017
    Messages:
    10,309
    Likes Received:
    1,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think you understand we have different mission design. Defend german airspace. For that the f35 is too slow.
     
  23. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    47,030
    Likes Received:
    26,619
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually, if it wasn't for the C-17s that Dubyah parked on the tarmac of Tbilisi International Airport the Russkies probably would have overrun the capital and driven the Georgian government out of power.

    As for Ukraine, it's true Obama did nothing after Putin launched his own Anschluss campaign in that country and Trump is doing what little he can after the fact permitting Kyiv to purchase lethal arms.

    If anything, this speaks to the value of deterrence.

    Well, we're not talking about mainstream European countries like France - we're talking about the Baltic States whose independence isn't recognized by some of the revanchist kooks in Moscow. A little deterrence is all that's needed to force them to think twice before doing something stupid.

    I've already pointed out Russia's terrible offensive capabilities but that hasn't stopped them from invading and threatening their neighbors. As for Sevastopol, I think it's clear that securing a port for the Black Sea Fleet was what the invasions of both Ukraine of Georgia were ultimately about:

    Personally, aside from the additional territory they want to seize in eastern Ukraine I think the Russians are through with their revanchist escapades in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus, but bolstering our allies in the Baltics and elsewhere will ensure that it doesn't spread. If the Russians don't plan on conducting any more operations abroad they've got nothing to worry and complain about. No one is interested in invading Russia, although one day in the future the Chinese may look at their teeming masses and the vast unpopulated expanses of eastern Russia with an acquisitive eye.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2019
    pjohns and Blaster3 like this.
  24. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    That video again?

    F-35 at red flag had a 20 to 0 kill ratio

    Red flag is the most realistic battle simulation on the planet. It's results mirror what can be expected in a war zone.

    It's actual record debunks the guy in your video 100%

    The f22 and f 35 as far as anyone on the planet can tell pack a punch that is pretty much unstoppable.
     
  25. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    That is the only good point you have. And yes it is a very good one.
     

Share This Page