#PIZZAGATE, real? fake? conspiracy? cover up?

David Icke’s been boasting recently, how clever he was for revealing that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile back in 2011, and how nobody else believed him at the time. What I want to know is this—how many years ago did David Icke, really know about Jimmy Savile sexually abusing hundreds of children while working at the BBC, before finally coming forward with his story?

David Icke joined the team of Newsnight, in 1981. Esther Rantzen had known about Jimmy Savile’s sexual exploitation and abuse of children, since the 1970′s. How likely is it that in an organisation like the BBC (which is very close knit), David Icke wouldn’t have heard the rumours about Jimmy Savile as well?

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/20...icke-really-blow-the-whistle-on-jimmy-savile/

Didn't David Icke have a pedophile peddler host on TPV?

How the MSM portrays James Alefantis



vs this Comet Ping Pong instagram of him

 

Art Depicting Cannibalism Hangs in Podesta’s Campaign Office

“It’s better to be the guy with the fork than the guy on the table"

 

Reddit CEO u/spez admits to shadow EDITING user comments without admin permission. Suspected Media Matters (connected to Alefantis’ ex-lover David Brock) disinformation talking points re: PizzaGate identified and seem to be an adaptation from Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals (dedicated to Lucifer) which is meant to create “agitator-propagandists”:

1.Accuse the accusers of what you are guilty of
2.Gaslight (make one question one’s own sanity)
3.Discredit source: 4chan hoax, autistic troll, obsessed with pedophiles, conspiracy theorist, alt-right, internet sleuths, psyop to false flag for fake news suppression etc.
4.Do not acknowledge evidence, EVER
5.THEY JUST LIKE PIZZA OKAY?

UPDATE 11/27 – Twitter has started locking my account for posting about #PizzaGate. I was forced to delete a jimmycomet’s Instagram pic due to “child sexual exploitation”. Does that count as solid evidence? Fox News and NPR join the list of pedophile protectors today. Below is a collective list of MSM which has completely distorted the facts of the PizzaGate investigation in attempt to slander us as tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists.

OFFICIAL THOUGHT POLICE:

•New York Times
•Washington Post
•Bloomberg
•Zero Hedge
•Fox News
•Veterans Today
•NPR
•Snopes
•Yahoo
•BBC
•RT America
•Independent
•Guardian
•Seattle Times
•Globe and Mail
•CNN
•CBS
•The Young Turks
•Sky News
•Mashable
•Daily Kos
•TIME
•Colbert Report
•Business Insider
•Japan Times
•BuzzFeed
•YouTube, Google, Twitter, FB, Reddit, 4chan in the form of censorship

We will not forget. We are the media now. Please comment other MSM sources I have missed attempting to silence us through the “fake news” narrative.



Susan Alefantis

Sister of James Alefantis. Wrote a letter in support of Christopher Kloman

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/835178/kloman-letter-writers.pdf

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/835134-kloman-letters.html

http://www.gloriaallred.com/Gloria-...omac-School-Victims-Statements-10-18-2013.pdf

Backup: http://docdro.id/ZBW35kS

Christopher Kloman was sentenced to 43 years in prison for mutliple counts of child molestation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1ba620-3743-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_story.html

Backup: http://archive.is/XlqMZ

Also on the list is Kenneth Starr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Starr#Investigation_of_the_death_of_Vince_Foster

http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/11/james-achilles-alefantis-and-his-comet-ping-pong-network/



The political elite in Washington DC are obsessed with fast food, particularly pizza and hotdogs , so much so, that they run pizza joints in their spare time and host 'pizza parties' at their private residences. They also enjoy pasta, with sauce and mustard and frequently exchange e-mails waxing lyrical about their meals. People that one may have assumed had more refined culinary tastes and certainly the money to indulge it, have a preference for junk food, including the President who spent $65,000 on hotdogs, to entertain guests at the White House. That's a lot of sausages!

Some of these pizza-lovers also have a proclivity for sado-masochistic art and are followers of conceptual artist, Marina Abramovich, who insists she's not a Satanist, while wearing an inverted crucifix, with a serpent around her head and holding goat horns. Marina uses bodily fluids, like semen, breast-milk, snot, urine and blood in her work and simulates cannibalism during peculiar rituals called 'Spirit Cooking,' very popular with the celebrity movers and shakers, who have a huge cultural influence through the media, where everyone from the Miley Cyrus to Ninja Turtles crave pizza.

I guess when you scrape the bottom of the barrel for public figures, they are going to have crass interests, but is that all it is, bad taste? Internet sleuths beg to differ and claim to have unearthed a pervasive paedophile network, using 'pasta' and 'pizza' and 'hotdogs' as code-words for the child victims who are trafficked at leisure by people in power. The notorious BBC, who lost all credibility for covering Jimmy Savile's tracks for half-a-century, insist that "pizzagate" was "dreamt up" by "prankster sites and people on the paranoid fringes." They point out that no victims have come forward, but it has taken UK footballers forty years to find the courage to do that.

Such is the nature of paedophilia; manipulative perpetrators use threats and intimidation to silence their victims and in many cases the abuse and torture is so extreme they don't survive, especially when it is Satanic. Even now, evidence against the Westminster paedophile ring, including murder, is attributed to "fantasists" and branded a "witch-hunt." More recent cases are quickly dismissed as "hoaxes" or "fake news." That is how they got away with it for so long and are still getting away with it now. The cover-up persists, because the Establishment will never investigate itself. That's our job!

'The must-have accessory for the young Hollywood star looking to make a bold statement.'

Yes, we're talking about pizza...

http://www.mtv.com/news/2059379/8-ce...ho-love-pizza/

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=313227&page=33

 

The more you look into Pizza Gate, the creeper it gets. I'm sure many establisment worshipers see the Podesta art and be like, I got that same print in my living room. Moral-less people do moral-less things.

 

It is dismissed because no one has been able to offer any evidence of it. It is the "news" equivalent of a messaged scrawled on a homeless person's cardboard sign warning that "they" are out to get you.

 

There is a tremendous amount of evidence, but its all circumstantial. Its almost as if its an open secret among the wealthy political elite. If some average person posted on their facebook page just a fraction of the posts these Pizzagate people post then they would be investigated by everyone from local cops to the FBI.

 

And requires a ridiculous decoder ring. Signs number 1 and 2 that the conspiracy theory is nothing but nutters.

Then evidence should be easy to come by.

Such as? And please avoid reposting what you've found from Reddit and 4chan. Trolls aren't exactly a great source of legitimate information.

 

"Proven to be fake with innocent people hurt by it"...you forgot that option which really isn't an option, it's the truth.

But people who produce fake news to help Trump get rewarded with jobs... so it's now the norm. A slimey action that gets rewards from the slimey.

 

Obviously you have not bothered to look at any of the evidence but apply head-in-the-sand excuses. If you don't care, then don't bother posting. If you do care in some way, or want to debunk it, then at least know something about the issue.

 

I have. In fact, if you hadn't bothered to read the thread, you would see that I reviewed the videos originally offered as evidence. Let me know if you actually manage to dig up anything. I won't apologize for needing actual evidence before believing something so outlandish.

 

That's what you choose to "believe" that's cool. You should refuit pizza gate and show people why Jon Podesta's art is totally cool. Look at the page before this one. When the collective was persecuting Clarence Thomas they said that it was all about the seriousness of the crime and not the nature of the evidence. Doesn't the seriousness of this crime warrant an investigation any other American would be investigated.

 

Oh, I didn't know you had the "inside scoop" that the law and other officials don't have so you KNOW it was true that Clinton and the pizza shop owner sold children.

But see, there a hitch, they have proof it was fake news and you don't have proof it was true . Glad to help

 

According to that logic, we should be investigating whether or not Bush is a reptilian alien. Never mind the fact that there is no evidence. It would be a serious problem if try, and that (apparently) warrants an investigation.

 

I post on a forum that is even more right wing than this one and the fools there fell for this fake news like it was Gospel truth!

 

I think there is some truth to it. Just because the establishment propaganda arm says the scandal involving the establishment is "fake news" doesn't make me believe it. Tell me why you assume it's fake? What led you to that conclusion? This thread is about weather it's real or fake and WHY you think that. Being a parrot, "fake news... fake news... nothing to see here", isn't enough to convince me.

 

Police have said it is fake. See wiki.

 

So now you know that what you consider "evidence" at total crap. Remember that when the next idiotic conspiracy theory comes from Trump or his tribe of clowns; or the alt right, or Fox Noise, or hate radio, or the blogosphere...

 

I'm loving the idea that any assertion that can't instantly be 'disproved' (a line that always gets moved anyway) is to be assumed true. A complete inversion of any sensible concept.

If I accuse someone here of being a child rapist on the grounds that they admit to 'liking kids' - it means what I choose it to mean you see - are they presumed guilty until they prove to my satisfaction that they aren't? What if I create a bunch of 'evidence' and put it on line along with personal details line name, address & phone number. OK with that? This is no different, except it isn't you being targeted.

I sometimes wish someone would set up a website to 'out' online trolls who push this sort of stuff. Classic example of how people behave when they believe there are no consequences.

This whole thing is yet another Rorschach Test for basic intelligence & mental competence. Believe it and both are seriously under question.

 

Isn't this the plot for Taken 3?

 

It is impossible to prove a universal negative. So it is generally impossible to disprove claims. I can prove that Johnny isn't robbing a store this minute, but I can never prove that Johnny never robbed a store.

 

Spot on. I can accuse anyone here of being a kiddie fiddler and unless they have some truly extraordinary personal circumstances (in an iron lung, quadraplegic etc.) then there is no way to disprove it. I can then simply assume they are kiddie fiddlers until they prove to me that they are not - something they can never do.

It is offensive in every possible way that anyone should adopt such a standard, yet it seems to be normal in places like this.

 

Reading the political threads is enough to make a guy scoop out his eyeballs with a spoon. Obfuscation, misdirection, straw men, false claims, the denial of basic facts, the inability to understand context, an utter lack of any basis in logic, these are fuel for politics now.

We have a country running on fantasies now.

 

The internet has allowed people who used to construct fantasy worlds strictly on a personal level to do so on a global one. Makes the illusion seem even more real. Throw in the trolls who just pass off blatant lies as fact either for fun or some political purpose and you have a toxic environment. People who are still committed to fact-based ideas either withdraw in frustration or just give up & shout abuse.

The tragedy is that the net can be a great tool for accessing information & meeting people on a global scale. Trolls just want to tear all that down so that they can drag everyone down to their level & rule the rubble.

 

The really scary part is the pattern. If you want to undermine democracy, undermine the free press and create a false narrative. Create mantras rooted in hate, like "lock her up" or "build a wall". Blame your problems on a target group or groups. Drive the debate to one of "them" or "us". Palin was the first to openly make the distinction between what she called real Americans, and the rest of us.

What really gets me about Trump is that he can change his position three times in one speech and no one cares. It is mass hysteria and it is terrifying to watch. Now I know how the Jews in Germany must have felt.

We have a president elect who is now siding with the Russians and defending the former head of the KBG, over the CIA, all while righties are calling lefties communists!

 

Yeah,it sounds sensationalistic, but face it folk: sex is one of the things that makes the world go round, like fine cuisine and luxury cars. When I went to live in Ottawa for a year, I was surprised by the number of offered, hi-cost "sexual services" for the rich elites,diplomats and high functionnaries that used to hide behind non-assuming, heavily-guarded doors - And I come from libertine Montreal.

So yes, it is definitely possible - but in this case what I got to make a definitive judgement is too little to say it did happen the way it was reported.